The Days of Noah, Lot and Today


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Remember Lot's WifeJesus referred to two events to illustrate the condition of the world just before his return: Noah’s flood and the destruction of Sodom in Lot’s day. What are the similarities, and what can we learn for ourselves about these events?

As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. [Matthew 24:37-39]

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16 thoughts on “The Days of Noah, Lot and Today

  1. Coincidentally, someone mentioned to me, today, a biography (autobiography I believe) of George Soros’s dad — and then read me some of it. There was an idea in it that owning material things could cause you harm or get you killed. So, George Soros’s dad (Tivadar Soros) sold off real estate on a regular basis… on one hand, to keep life modest. Somehow, this was tied in with a later fact that then there was less property for the Nazis to try to get from the family.

  2. This is why I believe the great tribulation isn’t some crazy apocalyptic event but a spiritual battle. In the day of Noah and Lot people were wicked and this is where our society is heading. Everyone would be waiting for the thief to come at night if society was in chaos.

    I believe people are misreading the signs of his coming like the Jew misread the Old Testament prophecy about Jesus coming as King. The Jew though it was all one event but instead there is a large gap between the first and second comings. I think the signs of his coming are spread out over times. The seals and trumpets has started and the war in heaven has already take place and Satan is now on Earth ruling.

  3. How do you think Satan rules on earth — as differentiated from how earth has been ruled since, say, Cain and Abel?

  4. I don’t think a lot has changed about Satan’s location and his involvement on earth.

    It is clear that he had access even in the garden of Eden. Then it is often argued by some that the dominion over the earth that God gave to mankind was ceded to Satan through mankind’s sin, giving him an authority he’d not previously held. However, if that is the case it is a limited authority because: “The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness, The world and those who dwell therein.”

    In the letters to the churches in Revelation it is stated that Satan has a throne on earth (Pergamum at that time), and later is revealed as being cast out of heaven to the earth, which I see as an exile from heaven, no longer able to access God as was previously the case (see Job).

    As for “misreading the signs of His coming”, I believe within the church there has been an unfortunate misreading of far too much – not only related to Jesus’s coming. To a large extent it’s not been a “misreading”, but a non-reading – where beliefs are built upon the foundations of what we’ve been told scripture says instead of what scripture REALLY says.

    I know from experience, that most of my early understanding of end time events was based on popular 1970s dispensationalist teachings contained in best selling books of the time.
    When I made the effort of studying the issue for myself, I quickly found that the majority of what I’d been led to believe was totally wrong.

  5. When I made the effort of studying the issue for myself, I quickly found that the majority of what I’d been led to believe was totally wrong.

    And that doesn’t only relate to end time’s teaching.
    How many of our assumptions are really based on truth? And how many are based on what we’ve been led to believe or what we prefer to believe?

    One example of something I’ve commented on elsewhere recently: to what extent are many of the things we attribute to God’s blessings, in reality are more related to the thorns and weeds that choke God’s word and make us unfruitful?

    And in similar terms, has the “Judeo-Christian” influenced western world really been blessed with prosperity and freedom because of that foundation? Or again, have we been seduced by those choking thorns and weeds and have we created a mythical foundation to justify and legitimise them in our lives?

    How do we assess such things?
    1) in what way does that “Judeo-Christian” foundation REALLY compare to what is revealed of the believing life in scripture?
    2) How do our SPIRITUAL lives compare to those believers in those nations that don’t have a “Judeo-Christian” foundation?

  6. Another thing we seem to do is project our physical attributes to that of GOD. How Jesus and GOD could be two seperate persons but not one being since it’s not possible with us. Moreover, how our time and his time are both linear and run in parallel. I believe since he created our timeline, therefore he is outside of our time. Which would explain how he is able to know us before we were conceived [Jeremiah 1:5]. This is the only way to explain how the opening of the seals and trumphets happened linearly in heaven but the judgements are occuring in parallel on Earth. We falsely assumed all those events would happen at one time on Earth. However, since he is outside of our time those judgement could be done in different time frame.

  7. I don’t think we should see “time” as if it has some kind of physical attribute or is some kind of created entity. Time is merely an ongoing progression of events, or moments. One thing happening after another. Once an event has occurred it can not be undone because it has passed. And thank the Lord for that – we know that the giving of His Son will never be rescinded because it has happened in real time, both ours and His.

  8. I guess physical attribute isn’t the correct term. What I was trying to said was that people tend to project our phyiscal world to that of the spirit world as well. To us time is linear but to GOD it’s non-linear.

  9. Hi hin,
    I don’t agree with that linear/non linear distinction.

    Scripture merely describes God’s “experience” of time as being of a different scale to ours: “one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”.

    There’s no sense of any backwards and forwards perspectives.

    He knows the past, present and future because He was there in the beginning, before anything else ever was.

  10. Onesimus,

    Accepting that it’s of different scale doesn’t mean our timeline can’t be non-linear to GOD. GOD’s own time is linear to him but he is outside of our time. As you learned in math, infinity +1 is still infinity, which is why the concept of time doesn’t exist with GOD.

    “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
    And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.”

    On the first day he created time if you create something how can you be bound by it? Imagine time as a ball of a yawn and that is how he sees our timeline. He can see the beginning from the end. He doesn’t need to change the past because he can will anything into existing.

  11. I came across this person, today. This (below) is the third or fourth video I saw of him. Herein, he speaks of Eusebius. I’ve learned the most, previously, of Eusebius via Messianic community — while I’m sure I heard his name before in Christian schools, for instance. I am really quite delighted that this man is talking about it.

    I will say that I tend to associate the word “church” with Christendom. I also have mixed feelings about the word Christian as an identifier. People change their understandings of words and concepts over time (with additional information). Nevertheless, of course, I understand his use of these words. And he has taken the essential steps of questioning Christendom, while holding to Christ (the Greek for the Messiah).

    Mark Charles — the spiritual price of The Doctrine of Discovery

  12. Hi again hin,
    Why do you assume it didn’t?
    Time is not a “thing” that needs existence.
    Time is a measurement of a progression of events.

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. That happened before “the first day”. The creation of the heavens and the earth preceded God saying “Let there be light”.

    But enough – such controversies are merely distractions from the important things.

  13. Onesimus: … has the “Judeo-Christian” influenced western world really been blessed with prosperity and freedom because of that foundation? Or again, have we been seduced by those choking thorns and weeds and have we created a mythical foundation to justify and legitimise them in our lives?

    hin: Everyone would be waiting for the thief to come at night if society was in chaos.

    I believe people are misreading the signs of his coming like the Jew misread the Old Testament prophecy about Jesus coming as King. The Jew though it was all one event but instead there is a large gap between the first and second comings. I think the signs of his coming are spread out over times.

    Mark Charles, in one of the talks I listened to, which are mostly but not exactly the same so far, says he thinks Christianity can thrive in two circumstances. Again, I don’t label following Jesus as Christianity… but I get what he means. The two are persecution and plurality (he may have used a different word for this). So, he doesn’t see persecution as necessary… although it was common. But he sees it as necessary that we don’t impose our faith. And, in one of the recordings, he worded or delivered his message in such a way as I caught the meaning to be that enforcing the imagined perfection necessary means “you can’t stop killing people.”

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