Choice


Dear American Evangelicals. Which King of Israel do you recognise?

Over an ensuing half-hour rant, Trump trucked in antisemitic tropes, insulted the Danish prime minister, insisted he wasn’t racist, bragged about the performance of his former Apprentice reality show, denied starting a trade war with China, praised Vladimir Putin and told reporters that he, Trump, was the “chosen one” – all within hours of referring to himself as the “King of Israel”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/21/trump-press-conference-greenland-jewish-democrats

On Wednesday, Donald Trump posted a lengthy series of tweets quoting conspiracy theorist and conservative radio host Wayne Allyn Root: “President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world,” adding, “the Jewish people in Israel love him like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God.”

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-king-of-israel

The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting,

“Hosanna!”

“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”

“Blessed is the king of Israel!”

Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it, as it is written:

“Do not be afraid, Daughter Zion;
see, your king is coming,
seated on a donkey’s colt

Trump or Jesus?

In some things non-believers seem more in tune with reality than professing Christians.

 

29 thoughts on “Choice

  1. Three blasphemies in a day. Must be a new record for him. MAYBE even Franklin Graham will re-think his toadying to the current president. Every American Christian who’s failed to view the man with the Spirit’s discernment, should.

    God forgive America !

  2. What can be said Steve?

    Is the Spirit’s discernment even needed in cases like this where the term “blatantly obvious” ought to apply?
    And yet – Trump will continue to be the darling of US evangelicals because their agenda has nothing to do with the Kingdom of God, or the gospel of the Kingdom.

  3. Have been meditating and praying, looking for the hope in this situation for Christians. It’s all, and only, in God’s working.

    Hope that He will remind heretofore-deceived Christians that ONLY Jesus Christ is “the second coming of God,” “the chosen one,” and “the King of Israel;”

    Hope that He will give deceived Christians Spiritual discernment that the current president’s claiming those titles for himself adds blasphemy to his habitual works of satan, lies and murder (John 8:44, Matthew 5:21-22);

    Hope that He will give the spirit of repentance to all Christians who have been blinded by political deceit to “approve” (Romans 14:22b) this man’s evil works;

    Hope that He will prepare ALL Christians for increased violence from the sons of satan now that they are completely out in the open;

    Hope in His promise that He will sustain all those who turn to Him; and hope that He will lead Christians to turn to Him, and trust in Him, like never before.

    Amen

  4. There is a biblical Psalm that does say God laughs at raging nations. So… I don’t feel bad for laughing at the appearance of the hat for this topic. (AND it could be the fulfillment of that prophecy.) At the same time, it’s good to keep in mind something I just overheard from someone (Elise Jordan) who previously worked for Rand (I think not Ron, the dad, but Rand) Paul: … sometimes … a crazy person is entertaining until it ends in tragedy. And I’m worried that were coming to the point of tragedy. This was in the context of her saying Trump has been even more unhinged lately.

    Meanwhile, someone called “the Trump of Brazil” is watching the Amazon burn. He was already raging against preserving that source of twenty percent of the world’s clean water and what is called the lungs of the earth (rescuing us from carbon deoxide).

  5. Hi Steve,
    Even before this current Trump situation, I had heard of people who have reassessed their view of Trump being God’s man to turn America around (positively), to him being God’s man to bring judgment on America.

    Before he was even selected as the Republican candidate, I wondered whether Trump could be elected as the consequence of the rabid anti-Obama attitude of so many evangelicals. Effectively, in Trump, reaping the hatred and lies they sowed in their hatred of Obama.

    Something that continually comes to my mind with regard to politics, is Jesus’s admonition that it’s impossible to serve two masters. While he specifically points out that we can’t serve God and mammon. While mammon is often interpreted as money or riches, I think it’s legitimate to identify many other things as masters we try to serve alongside, or in place of God.

    I strongly believe that national identity, patriotism and pride in a homeland is one of those alternative masters. I recall a blog post I wrote a while ago pointing out that the word “patriotism” has roots in the word for “father”. That seems significant to me.

    Those evangelicals with allegiance to Trump put their trust in him because they are driven by a desire for America’s greatness., often in the form of a false hope of returning to mythical “Judeo-Christian” roots.

  6. I’m worried that were coming to the point of tragedy

    Hi Marleen,
    I think “tragedy” is inevitable, and it comes ever closer and ever clearer as we see the direction the world is heading.
    We can see that road in scripture, Things will clearly continue to get worse before they get better

    Importantly scripture also shows us the “better”, which won’t come about through politics, but through the direct intervention of God and the return to earth of His Son.

  7. I think we can choose better. Best, of course, though, is only through God’s intervention via the elder brother returning. And, yes, we’re in for tragedy before things get there. Certainly, we’re in the midst of tragedy now if we’re alert about what’s happening (I won’t get into all the ways in this post, but, children being snatched from their parents is one). But it could get worse yet. It will get worse; whether that is during Trump or in the next decade or whenever, we have yet to see. Yet, I don’t know how we all cope with rainforest, in addition to the usual wood, being demolished in mass. [A technicality: I don’t think of politics/political as negative; I think Jesus will be a political leader, but THE political leader. There is a choice of ultimate, long-run allegiance.]

  8. I don’t think of politics/political as negative; I think Jesus will be a political leader, but THE political leader

    I think the relevant and significant part of that statement is the latter section. Politics under man’s control will never work out well in the long term.
    The end time horrors described in scripture are all the fruit of man’s actions. Only a King of justice and righteousness can make a real, positive difference and there’s only one person qualified to fill that role.

    Even then man’s politics will have its effect in the world (see Zech 14: 16 onwards), and will do so until this current creation is dissolved and replaced by a new heavens and new earth.

  9. Psalm 2 – the nations raging, the rulers take counsel together (think the United Nations, for example) against the LORD and against his Annointed.

    As Philip Haney says, if you understand Psalm 2 you will pretty much understand everything that is going on in the world.

    By the way, Phil is again one of the speakers at the convocation in Ohio this weekend (beginning tonight; it was a good opening session), the theme of which is Elijah the Prophet. Phil will be presenting on Saturday afternoon, “Elijah flees to Sinai” (1 Kings 19:11). Looking forward to hearing Reggie, Fred, Mark, Travis, and the other brothers again! Wish I could be there.

    Elijah 2019 Youtube channel. It’s being livestreamed. Full agenda is at the.mysteryofisrael.org.

  10. think the United Nations, for example

    Hi Jeanne, it’s much wider than the UN or any otherl group of nations.

    There is no aspect of any nation, and their politics, to which those lines from Psalm2 don’t apply.

  11. Every American Christian who’s failed to view the man with the Spirit’s discernment,…

    Just received the following link that gives some hope that not all have been seduced by Trump, the GOP and politics in general.

    In a recent interview with Newsweek, Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, argued that the “Make America Great Again” slogan never really resonated with younger white evangelicals. “Young evangelicals do not feel as if they are losing anything in terms of American culture,” he wrote. “They came of age at a time when following Christ seemed countercultural to them anyway. They never expected a nominally Christian culture in which being a church member would be the equivalent of being a good American.”

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/could-trump-drive-young-white-evangelicals-away-from-the-gop/

  12. Tim:

    I used the UN as one example. However, Psalm 2 says “nations” (plural), peoples (plural), kings (plural), and rulers (plural). Almost all the nations of the world are represented at the UN, and the majority of them sit in counsel against the LORD, against his Mashiach, and against the covenant. So the United Nations is, in fact, the premier contemporary example of nations, peoples, kings, and rulers setting themselves in counsel against the LORD. They rage separately, and they rage together.

    A picture of the deception and betrayal, “in real life”: On 29 November 2012, the UN voted to elevate Palestine to ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in the United Nations. 138 countries voted in favor of the resolution, 41 abstained, and nine voted against. Those voting against were: Canada, Czech Republic, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (?!), Nauru (?!), Palau (?!), Panama, and the USA.

    2 Why do the nations rage
    and the peoples plot in vain?
    2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
    and the rulers take counsel together,
    against the Lord and against his Anointed, saying,
    3 “Let us burst their bonds apart
    and cast away their cords from us.”

    Philip Haney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da8tPBdKBq0&t=2108s

    “Lines, signs, and times”

  13. A picture of the deception and betrayal, “in real life”: …

    As compared to a nation’s evangelical supported president calling himself “the chosen one”, and accepting being declared as “King of Israel” and “second coming of God”?

  14. Not the kind of “evangelical” that confuses right wing politics and nationalism with following Jesus. [I could say the same against “left wing” politics – but that doesn’t currently seem to be such a widespread error in evangelicalism]

    The true gospel and patriotic nationalism are not compatible companions.

    Neither is the true gospel compatible with support for a lying, womanising, man who is comfortable with being labelled, or compared to “the chosen one”, the King of Israel” or the “second coming of God”.

    The so called “evangelicals” devoted to Trump bring contempt on the gospel and upon the name of Jesus they claim to follow.

  15. That may be debatable.

    Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

    and

    No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

  16. As someone said at a recent Saturday evening discussion (Reggie, et. al.), “It takes two eyes and a carnal heart to criticize.”

  17. Psalm 37

    …12The wicked scheme against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them, 13but the Lord laughs, seeing that their day is coming. 14The wicked have drawn the sword and bent the bow to bring down the poor and needy, to slay those whose ways are upright.…
    Berean Study Bible

    There’s also Psalm 59.

  18. “It takes two eyes and a carnal heart to criticize.”

    And the biblical support for such a statement?

    Clearly not something like: “You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? ”

  19. The individual who quoted the comment made it in the context of the discussion. I
    agree with it as it applies to sniping among believers over nonessentials. There is legitimate criticism when it involves doctrine. So no, it isn’t “anything like” the situation with the Galations.

  20. Do you have an explanation with which you’re comfortable for Trump enjoying and further disseminating the second coming of God and King of Israel notions, Jeanne T.?

  21. Why do you assume I’m “comfortable” with any leader ” enjoying and further disseminating the second coming of God and King of Israel notions”, Marlene? I disagree with the premise of your presumptive question. You have no basis on which to assume the assertion in your comments.

  22. “Is the Spirit’s discernment even needed in cases like this where the term “blatantly obvious” ought to apply?”

    Is the (Holy) Spirit’s discernment needed when reading articles from The Guardian, Tim? It is linked so often here that I’m beginning to wonder if it serves as a Bible commentary rather than a news source….. 🙂

  23. Of course the Spirit’s discernment is needed when reading any secular news source – and no less so when reading “Christian” material .
    That is why I only post articles that are relevant and have significance regarding what is happening in the world. There is a lot in the Guardian that I completely reject. Importantly, it is an easily accessible, daily news source without a paywall.

    Citing occasional article’s from the Guardian is far different to pursuing a nation-worshipping agenda and supporting a Godless, lying, self-confessed sexual predator who self-promotes as “the chosen one”, “the King of Israel” and “the second coming of God”.

  24. Jeanne T. on August 23, 2019 at 10:38 pm said:
    Why do you assume I’m “comfortable” with any leader ” enjoying and further disseminating the second coming of God and King of Israel notions”, Marlene [Sic.]? I disagree with the premise of your presumptive question. You have no basis on which to assume the assertion in your comments.

    1) It was a question. Maybe you’re not familiar with real questions. I notice you didn’t answer it.

    2) There is a basis for the question, as you have responded to this topic by saying you “agree with [the two-eyed carnality means criticism assertion] as it applies to sniping among believers over nonessentials. There is legitimate criticism when it involves doctrine.”

    3) You can rest assured nevertheless in your own presumptive attitudes, no doubt.

    4) I will give you another question: How was your two-eyed carnality assertion relevant, and why did you imply Onesimus isn’t concerned with doctrine or essentials?

  25. I’ve just been watching/listening to ‘The Berean Call’ livestream conference https://livestream.com/bereancallconference over this weekend, sadly, I could only watch the last session where T (Tom) A. McMahon shares on ‘The Send’ which is supposed to be a christian revival, but is riddled with deception at best – heresy at worst. Some of the same scriptures posted above were quoted by Tom – not all who profess His name are His…

    The extreme concern for us all is that the so called ‘christian leaders’ believe in their own deception and continue to share a mustard seed of truth with their lies and false signs and wonders. Their followers, many are children, believe and accept a false gospel and a false Jesus.

    As you say Tim, Spiritual discernment is ALWAYS needed. We all have a choice, to heed the Spirit’s warning and cautions, or to go the way of emotion and flesh. The heart is wicked, we NEED His input and correction continuously. We need to heed His counselling on who is speaking truth, and who is not.

    At what point will Trump believe these things that are said..? I wonder if he does already, given that he quoted these things rather than vehemently denied them.

    We are surrounded by delusion and deception – if we cannot, through The Spirit, discern now, we have a problem, what of the future as these things increase according to scripture.

  26. Hi Roger, Regarding Spiritual discernment, I believe there are times when we need special insight from the Holy Spirit to understand the nature of things we are facing. In other words, the benefit of one of the spiritual gifts listed in 1 Corinthians.

    In other cases there is a spiritual discernment that is developed though growing Christian maturity.

    Regarding Trump, I don’t think it needs that special gift of the Holy Spirit to understand how wrong it is for a Christian to put their trust in him. Understanding the wrongness of the Trump situation should be possible for anyone with even a basic understanding of Jesus and HIs gospel of the Kingdom. It has been like that since long before he became president.

    I believe that the acceptance of Trump by professing Christians shows how susceptible so many alleged followers of Jesus will be to accepting the man of lawlessness when he appears. If they so eagerly accept Trump and his lawlessness – imagine the probabilities when “all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders” are added.

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