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Apr
17

The Evangelicals’ Choice


The evangelicals’ previous choice.

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The evangelicals’ current choice.

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The evangelical future choice?

[T]hat Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

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9 Responses to “The Evangelicals’ Choice”


  1. April 2, 2017 at 10:52 pm

    I recently saw a quote from American comedian John Fugelsang which may be apropos here: “I won’t say that Trump is the Anti-Christ, but I will say that Christ is the Anti-Trump.”

  2. April 3, 2017 at 9:58 am

    Great quote Steve.

    I recently realised how disturbing the political situation in the US has become, when I started to think of GW Bush in more favourable terms in comparison to Trump – until I reminded myself of some of what his presidency unleashed.

    Afghanistan war
    Iraq War
    Abu Ghraib
    The seeds of ISIS…

  3. April 3, 2017 at 10:21 am

    Very true. A man who fomented war by lies (my sister-in-law believed to her dying day there HAD been “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq) almost seems statesmanlike in comparison to the current president. They say it’s how you cook a lobster. (Even George W. is reported to have characterized Trump being inaugurated President as “some weird shit.”)

  4. April 3, 2017 at 10:28 am

    I’ve recently been reading Baghdad Burning (vol 2) by Riverbend. It’s a book created out of a blog that is still available online, even though it’s not been updated for many years. It gives an on-the-ground view of the effects of Bush’s war against Iraq as well as the aftermath. Heart breaking stuff.

    Things like that bring Bush’s presidency back into perspective.

    see https://riverbendblog.blogspot.com

  5. April 4, 2017 at 10:51 pm

    I remember too, just before George W.’s Iraq war, seeing on a website pictures which had been not been publicly available for 10 years following his father’s Iraq war.

    Pictures taken along the so-called “Highway of Death,” where U.S. air-power had left miles of destroyed Iraqi military equipment. Gut-wrenching pictures of the thousands of the burned bodies of Iraqi soldiers scattered among burned tanks and trucks, incinerated without mercy while FLEEING from the battlefields in Kuwait.

    The first George Bush was also the “evangelicals’ choice.”

  6. April 5, 2017 at 8:16 am

    Yes I remember those images. A major war-crime left unpunished because of who was responsible for it.
    But punishment has not been averted – just delayed, unless there’s genuine repentance. And to the unrepentant guilty it would have been better for them to have received an earthly punishment.

  7. 7 Marleen
    April 5, 2017 at 8:31 am

    I didn’t see those pictures, from the first Bush. These things are gut wrenching.

  8. 8 Marleen
    April 6, 2017 at 3:40 pm

    I’ve been listening to one of the churchy guys recently discussed (not the person of whom you’ve most recently posted videos, Tim, although I’ve listened to those few too); lots of stuff while going to sleep. He has some interesting things to say. For instance, he said many bibles insert the words Roman Empire into a prophecy (such as in a heading) where those words are not in the actual text (with the description of the statue made of various metals and then iron and clay in the feet). But when he gets into politics, which sometimes veers into a seeming moral stance on individuals and policies, I think he treads on ill-advised territory (as you have said in different words). One example is when he complained of Obama and Hillary Clinton being involved in regime change. But… as if Republican (or Evangelical) choices haven’t been?

    And…

    http://player.theplatform.com/p/7wvmTC/MSNBCEmbeddedOffSite?guid=n_lw_consequences_170405
    THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O’DONNELL 4/5/17
    Lawrence O’Donnell says Donald Trump is unprepared and lost on Syria and so is his Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson. Max Boot says that under Trump, not even the President necessarily speaks for U.S. policy. David Corn joins. Duration: 16:15

  9. April 6, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    The headings in Bibles can be very deceptive, projecting meaning into the text that was never intended.

    Political biases addressed as if they are examples of Godly thinking are also deceptive. Yesterday I watched a video in which the speaker said a lot of insightful things – but it made me cringe when he described himself as “a conservative” and said it in a way that more or less justified following a political path through which he gave support to particular political actions (about which he now seemed to be having second thoughts).

    I think it is much wiser to identify as conservative than as A conservative. The former leans more to describing character, the latter describes political affiliation. In reality, at times, the two have no real common ground, so they shouldn’t be confused.


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