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17

Lies, Hypocrisy and Deja Vu. (from the Evangelicals’ choice): Addendum


Fact check: what did Trump’s tweets about Obama’s ‘wiretaps’ mean?

Trump accuses former president of illegal wiretapping – claims that appear to be based on rumors circulating in rightwing media about a ‘silent coup’

 

On Saturday morning, without presenting evidence, Donald Trump
accused former president Barack Obama of illegal wiretapping.

Using Twitter, the president also mounted a defense of his attorney general, Jeff Sessions and his meetings with the Russian ambassador.

The six tweets appeared to originate with rumors circulating in rightwing media, especially talk radio and Breitbart News – recently run by Steve Bannon, now the president’s chief strategist – about a “silent coup” against Trump, by members of the Obama administration.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/04/fact-check-trump-obama-wiretap-tweets-rumors

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25 Responses to “Lies, Hypocrisy and Deja Vu. (from the Evangelicals’ choice): Addendum”


  1. 1 Marleen
    March 7, 2017 at 4:37 am

    Huckabee’s daughter* is now basically playing the roll of Kellyanne Conway.

    * Sarah Huckabee Sanders (no relation to Bernie, thank God).

  2. March 7, 2017 at 7:16 am

    Is that an attempt to slide Conway away from the spotlight after some clumsy errors of judgment?

  3. 3 Marleen
    March 7, 2017 at 7:59 am

    I don’t know. But she is saying that Congress should investigate Trump’s accusation about said wiretapping (brought up with no evidence at all). Someone else in the news has said it’s like if Trump said the sky is not blue we would need to spend time figuring out how to prove there’s a good reason he said it.

  4. March 7, 2017 at 8:23 am

    Maybe its time for Congress to investigate sky colouring, so they have an answer ready as soon as Trump decides to dispute long-held perceptions.

  5. 5 Marleen
    March 7, 2017 at 9:06 am

    It has also been said, Trump people might rather hope there is no proof of tapping his communications. If it happened at all, it would be because a warrant was granted — due to significant evidence [that is, reasonable real suggestion of wrongdoing and possibly a pattern].

    For those who don’t know about process, a president doesn’t order tapping.

  6. March 7, 2017 at 9:31 am

    It seems clear that Trump got the idea of this from a Brietbart article, in the same way that many of his other tweets (remember Sweden) are based on things he picks up from Fox News.
    That is one of the more disturbing aspects about Trump: a man with access to the highest levels of security briefings and he prefers to be informed by extreme right wing media sources, including conspiracy theorists.

  7. 7 Marleen
    March 7, 2017 at 10:42 am

    Trump is probably getting access to briefings he’s been told not to believe, while someone like Bannon sits in and gets inside information (which he can pass along to enemies of our country).

  8. March 7, 2017 at 11:08 am

    More deluded rhetoric from the Trump camp:

    Housing and Urban Development secretary portrayed enslaved people’s forced migration to Americas as journey to ‘land of dreams and opportunity’ in speech

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/06/ben-carson-african-slaves-immigrants-housing-speech

  9. 12 Marleen
    March 9, 2017 at 3:47 am

    By the way (to those offended to hear someone associate Trump with a circus), calling Trump a circus clown isn’t very different from what he’s said about himself. When asked (for real, he was directly asked in a face-to-face interview) from a list (of people he’s been compared to) who he personally identifies with, he chose P. T. Barnum. He was clearly fine with that.

    A sucker is born every day…

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “… minute” is a phrase closely associated with P. T. Barnum, an American showman of the mid-19th century, although there is no evidence that he said it. Early examples of its use are found instead among gamblers and confidence men.

    Attribution to Barnum

    When Barnum’s biographer, Arthur H. Saxon, tried to track down when Barnum had uttered this phrase, he was unable to verify it. According to Saxon, “There’s no contemporary account of it, or even any suggestion{*} that the word ‘sucker’ was used in the derogatory sense in his day. Barnum was just not the type to disparage his patrons.”[1]

    Photo of P. T. Barnum by Charles Eisenmann

    Some sources claim the quote is most likely from famous con-man Joseph (“Paper Collar Joe”) Bessimer,[2] and other sources say it was actually uttered by David Hannum, spoken in reference to Barnum’s part in the Cardiff Giant hoax.[citation needed] Hannum, who was exhibiting the “original” giant and had unsuccessfully sued Barnum for exhibiting a copy and claiming it was the original, was referring to the crowds continuing to pay to see Barnum’s exhibit even after both it and the original had been proven to be fakes.

    Another source credits late 1860s Chicago “bounty broker, saloon and gambling-house keeper, eminent politician, and dispenser of cheating privileges…” Michael Cassius McDonald as the originator of the aphorism. According to the book Gem of the Prairie: Chicago Underworld (1940) by Herbert Asbury, when McDonald was equipping his gambling house known as The Store (at Clark and Monroe Streets in Chicago) his partner Harry Lawrence expressed concern over the large number of roulette wheels and faro tables being installed and their ability to get enough players to play the games. McDonald then allegedly said, “Don’t worry about that, there’s a sucker born every minute.”[page needed]

    History

    Early uses of the phrase refer to it as a catch-phrase among gamblers. […..]

    ~ From Wikipedia

    * Later in the Wiikipedia entry, there is clear evidence (in print: a published book {1885} and a newspaper article {1879}, plus European Magazine, with German influence, using the word fool instead {January 1806}) that the word was indeed used in that sense back in those days.

    This is linked to from the entry: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Giant

  10. 13 Marleen
    March 9, 2017 at 4:30 am

    {I don’t know if you can separate out the video at the bottom for me, to show it like the news ones you have above. It’s kind of a fun musical number by a Broadway-quality singer.}

    https://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/barnum/thereisasuckerborneveryminute.htm

    There is a sucker born every minute
    Each time the second hand sweeps to the top
    Like dandelions up they pop,
    Their ears so big, their eyes so wide.
    And though I feed ?em bonafide baloney
    With no truth in it
    Why you can bet I?ll find some rube to buy my corn.
    ?Cause there?s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
    And I?m referrin? to the minute you was born.

    Each blessed hour brings sixty of ?em
    Each time the wooden cuckoo shows his face
    Another sucker takes his place,
    And plunks his quarter on the line
    To buy my brand of genuine malarkey.
    God bless and love ?em!
    But don?t feel sad or hoppin? mad or cause a scene
    ?Cause there?s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
    But Ma?am you mighta been the minute in between.

    If I allow that right here in my hands
    The smallest living human man
    The sight of that is surely worth a dime
    If I present an educated pooch
    Who?s trained to dance the hoochie cooch
    What better way to waste a bit of time
    If I import at monumental cost
    A lady, fair, who?s head was lost
    While crossing railroad tracks to pick some zinnias
    Who eats farina through a hose
    And wares pink tights instead of clothes
    If that ain?t worth a buck my name ain?t Phineas

    Aw you say that?s hog wash well who cares
    You?ll buy my hog was long as

    There?s a sucker born every minute
    Each time the second hand sweeps to the top
    Like dandelions up they pop,
    Their ears so big, their eyes so wide.
    And though my tale is bonafide baloney,
    Just let me spin it,
    And ain?t no man who can resist me wait and see
    ?Cause there?s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
    And friends the biggest one excluding none is me!

  11. March 9, 2017 at 7:13 am

    In the share options for youtube videos, there’s the capability to “embed” the video. That makes it possible to display the video on a website like those I included.

  12. 15 Marleen
    March 9, 2017 at 7:23 am

    Ah… I’ll look for that, thanks.

  13. March 9, 2017 at 7:42 am

    Below a chosen video you will see a curved arrow with the word “share” beside it. Click on that and you will be given more options, one of which is “embed”. Click on “embed” and a new link will appear in the rectangle beneath. Copy the link and then paste it into the comment box on the chosen blog.

  14. 17 Marleen
    March 9, 2017 at 7:47 am

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:There%27s_a_sucker_born_every_minute

    Incidentally; a bit of curiosity (since Pepsi was brought up):
    The above link was the second choice on a search list,
    when I looked for background on the relevant statement.

  15. 18 Marleen
    March 9, 2017 at 8:15 am

    Besides the …wiki/Talk… reference (additionally) to Pepsi, this [entered by a “Joe” separately] was at that particular link: I bumped into this page while researching an article that I’m writing about Adam Forepaugh. I gave it a pretty good re-writing. I found several sources for the Forepaugh angle[…] Joe 19:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

    — Nice work, Joe! It is now an entertaining and interesting article. I’m glad that[‘s] closer to Wiki’s quality standards, so should survive any other attempt at deletion. The phrase is very well known, so it merits an article, and a discussion of the mis-attribution to Barnum. Javaman59 (talk) 03:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
    {It’s the first time I’ve seen one of these pages, but I take this response to be someone who oversees the veracity of what is put into Wikipedia pages.}

  16. 19 Marleen
    March 9, 2017 at 8:57 am

    http://blogcritics.org/q-who-said-theres-a-sucker/

    This is interesting reading, too, although I think
    the writer got the $$ numbers wrong. And the
    author didn’t give attribution to sources (no citing)
    — that I have noticed, anyway. Did I miss where that is?

  17. 21 Marleen
    March 9, 2017 at 10:30 am

    ….

    A lot of buzz was generated about the giant (was he a petrified biblical figure? an ancient Native American statue? {…}), and as thousands of people began to pay good money to get a gander, it looked like Hannum’s investment {*} was going to pay off quite nicely. That is, until clever P. T. Barnum entered the picture.

    Always the sly one, Barnum built a giant of his own and claimed that it was the true Cardiff Giant – a fake of a fake! When people flocked to see Barnum’s creation, hapless Hannum (who didn’t even know at that point that he himself had paid roughly 40 grand for a fake) mused at the on-lookers, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”

    * The author of this article has given a figure adjusted for inflation, not a real number
    from what Hannum did. (The author doesn’t seem to be aware of that detail.)

    I’m not clear on whether or not Hannum knew at the moment
    that he himself was a sucker. Wikipedia had someone
    saying he did know then. Some reporting on the
    court case at Wikipedia sort of tops this off.

    I think it’s clear Barnum did see
    his fans as disparageable.

  18. March 9, 2017 at 11:11 am

    Will Obama sue Trump for libel over wiretapping accusation?

    That’s something I’d like to see.

  19. March 23, 2017 at 9:32 am

    Like father like son.

    Donald Trump Jr is facing a backlash for criticizing London mayor Sadiq Khan with a scornful tweet sent hours after an attack at the Houses of Parliament left four dead, including a police officer.

    The US president’s eldest son tweeted a link to a September 2016 story in the Independent, which quoted Khan saying terror attacks were “part and parcel of living in a big city”, and “I want to be reassured that every single agency and individual involved in protecting our city has the resources and expertise they need to respond in the event that London is attacked.”

    “You have to be kidding me?!” Trump Jr tweeted, quoting the headline: “Terror attacks are part of living in big city, says London Mayor Sadiq Khan”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/22/donald-trump-jr-tweet-london-mayor-sadiq-khan


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