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To American Evangelicals II: reaping what you’ve sown.


To American Evangelicals, regarding your  false gospel of Patriotism , its false messiah, and the promise of making “America Great Again“.

 

 

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Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar … those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit. We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Don’t be deceived: God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows he will also reap, because the one who sows to his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows to the Spirit will reap eternal life from the Spirit.

Gal 5 & 6

 

 

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9 Responses to “To American Evangelicals II: reaping what you’ve sown.”


  1. 1 Steve
    November 10, 2016 at 10:17 am

    Spot on scripture, Tim: the idolatry of “patriotism” exactly in its spiritual identity and context.

    blessings, Steve

  2. November 10, 2016 at 10:35 am

    Steve, not only did “evangelicals” support and vote for a man of Trump’s proven character who epitomises those “works of the flesh”, they did so through expressions of hate and lies towards the other candidate.

    I gave the example of the video in an earlier post which after spouting very clear lies, climaxed with the statement:
    “God willing, Donald Trump will vanquish this witch…”

    Now some may protest that the claim about 80% evangelical support is wrong because the term “evangelical” has been misused – but those protests that I’ve seen have come from people who would see themselves as evangelical, who themselves have participated in the type of pro-Trump propaganda mentioned above.

    There is no doubt at all that Trump’s victory was helped along by significant support from people identifying as evangelical, or born again – even people I’ve known for years who in the past have displayed a commitment to Jesus.
    Sadly, since the election of Obama 8 years ago, I’ve seen an increasing hostility taking over their lives. That hatred has culminated in the election of a man who has reflected the very traits that have become rooted in the hearts of those one time followers of Jesus.

    They now can’t avoid reaping the fruit of what they’ve planted.

  3. 3 Steve
    November 11, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    Hi, Tim:

    Your “80%” comment makes me think you may have seen the post-election statistics from Christianity Today: but I’ll put the link here for any who haven’t…and for the insightful comment later in their article:

    “Despite reservations expressed by many evangelical and Republican leaders, white born-again/evangelical Christians cast their ballots for the controversial real estate mogul-turned-politician at an 81 percent to 16 percent margin over Hillary Clinton…

    “Among evangelicals, some speculated that Trump’s shaky background on pro-life issues, awkward articulation of his personal faith, and reputation around women would turn away conservative Christians. But party loyalty outweighed those concerns…”

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/november/trump-elected-president-thanks-to-4-in-5-white-evangelicals.html

    Indeed, it’s a “reaping what you’ve sown” time for American Christians. And we should, if we’re honest, also take responsibility for many of the problems which Trump railed against, which have arisen in the last 40 years. The same 80%-Republican figure shows up for “evangelicals” who voted for Romney the Mormon, twice for George W. Bush, and etc. Indeed, “evangelicals” have voted overwhelmingly for the Republican candidate in every election since 1980: when the “religious Right” first became a recognized political power-bloc.

    I think we can take two lessons from that fact. First that the “religious Right’s” claim to be about choosing a GODLY leader was a lie: unless one believes (as 80% of American “evangelicals” evidently do) that the Republican candidate coincidentally has always been the godly one, in every one of the last 10 elections.

    But more importantly: that American “evangelicals” have been enslaved to that political lie for nearly-40 years. The classical definition of a slave is someone who serves the will of another: and that has very definitely been the relationship of “evangelicals” to Republican “conservatives.”

    As Christianity Today’s writer puts it, that “party loyalty” outweighed all of “evangelicals’ ” Christian moral considerations.

    So I’m increasing hopeful for American “evangelicals:” because I keep hearing God say “freedom.”

    Praise Him !!

    blessings to you, beloved brother, and to all here ! Steve

  4. 4 Marleen
    November 12, 2016 at 4:03 am

    I’m disagreeing with this line of thought. While there are some people who call themselves patriots and get off track with white supremacy or Christian televangelist faith and wealth gospel messages or the U.S. or the Church worldwide as New Israel and on and on, most citizens are in favor of a government of freedom and respect (and friends who have the same tendencies, like those in NATO all these years). We are at a crucible of deciding if that is what we still believe in the whole or whether we prefer autocrats and oligarchs. The man who sows to the flesh will reap so, but sowing to anarchy will not help us when Donald trump IS anarchy and self. We in the United States have a responsibility to sustain our proper channels of authority and IMPROVE.

  5. 5 Marleen
    November 12, 2016 at 9:39 am

    I want to give some rough numbers. There are about 207,000,000 people eligible to vote here [there are probably additional adult citizens, who are not eligible]. But all who are eligible to register and vote are not all registered to vote; about 150,000,000 are registered. And not all of them voted. About 120,000,000 did. And that is sort of one third of the population (the population, including children). So a bit less than a sixth of the population voted for Trump, and maybe a full sixth voted for Hillary Clinton. I haven’t done exacting math on this but am offering general ideas for perspective. Roughly a fourth of adults voted for each of the two. More than half of people who theoretically could vote did, but they didn’t all pick one of the main parties. And while a lot of the people weren’t satisfied with any of their choices on their state ballots — but feel a sense of civic responsibility to express a preference or make a “statement” such as of direction to influence one of the main parties with minor party concepts — some who did choose from the major two parties didn’t like either nomination.

  6. 6 Marleen
    November 14, 2016 at 10:17 am

    Trump bragged (warned) he could shoot someone and not lose supporters. That’s NOT PATRIOTISM.

    Someone [who you like, I think, Tim, but I’ll skip naming him as that’s not the point] recently said something that rang true with me: “Apparently, ‘draining the swamp’ means putting the snakes in charge.” He also said actually he’s not surprised; you would find Giuliani and Gingrich in the bottom of a swamp.*

    And I will quote Trump again: “You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in.

    http://politics.blog.mystatesman.com/2016/03/14/the-snake/

    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-snake-poem-2016-1

    * Trump used the wording of a swamp for D.C. while running for office.

  7. November 14, 2016 at 11:11 am

    The issue I’ve tried to address is not Trump’s patriotism (or lack of) or even Republic patriotism (or lack of) it’s the way that “Christianity” and patriotism has been crossbred to create an unholy hybrid. I’ve seen too many Christians falling for Trump’s “Make America Great Again” mantra.

    I came across the following quote in an ABC Radio show last week – made by an American living in Australia, who is not a Christian:

    …one of the sad terrible declines of the last three decades has been the extent to which nativism and white privilege and white resentment have been soldered to certain understandings of Christianity.

    The very fact that Trump could be embraced the way that he has, it seems to me, represents in many respects the low point of the history of American Christianity itself. “

  8. 8 Marleen
    November 14, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    Yeah. There are Christians on the airwaves that make me feel and think vomit. They are so icky. (Some aren’t so bad, or don’t seem as bad, and I wonder about them. But others are really gross.) Even now after the election, they’re still spinning people’s heads. A couple of people over the last few days stand out in my mind at the moment… Jack Kingston and Jerry Falwell Jr. — but of course there are many operatives. These two have manners/mannerisms about them that are supposed to draw you in (but they’re killing your soul).

  9. 9 Marleen
    November 14, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    The following excerpt is from the first link I shared in my 10:17 [I hadn’t read the article yet. It’s a good article.]

    [The article is from back, during the primary season.] On Sunday, Trump, at a rally in Bloomington, Ill., said, “You know how many people have been injured at our shows? Nobody.”

    I wrote a story in Sunday’s paper about how Trump was akin to a familiar figure in Southern politics — a populist demagogue in the tradition of Louisiana’s Huey Long, Alabama’s George Wallace and Texas’ W. Lee “Pass the Biscuits Pappy” O’Daniel, ideologically flexible strongmen with the common touch and the flair of a showman.
    ….

    The very real danger, is, as Rubio suggested, that there are a lot … out there who may not be getting the winking kayfabe of it all.


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