Here is a link to a very interesting article that I think fits well with one of my earlier posts that I called “Christian’s Don’t Lie”.*
https://bannerministries.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/what-is-the-mandela-effect/
One part of this article that I found interesting relates to conspiracy claims that Bible texts are being altered. The author points out one reason for this idea gaining traction: a lack of knowledge of what the Bible actually DOES say – and a reliance on memory, or secondary sources for bible knowledge.
When someone eventually looks to scripture – maybe as a result of being told that certain texts have been changed, they will see that the Bible says something different to what they THOUGHT it said, which to some confirms the conspiracy.
An example is given of a verse in Isaiah 11 about the lion lying with the lamb. It’s a well-known biblical statement, and yet when we go to our bible we’ll see it is different. However it has ALWAYS been different to what it is commonly believed to say.
I think the very fact that people can believe the Bible is being changed is a reflection of how little the Bible has been read, and therefore how little GENUINE Bible knowledge they have. It’s therefore not surprising that people are so easily tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine.
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* https://onesimusfiles.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/christians-dont-lie/
Onesimus Files 
Thanks so much for giving this article blog space! I am grateful for the recirculation. One minor point, my name is Tillin… I know lots of people spell it in different ways. Hope you don’t mind me pointing it out. 🙂
Thanks for pointing out the spelling mistake Tricia (now corrected). Before I completed the post I made a point of checking the spelling of your name – but obviously I found an unreliable source.
It’s basically an interesting article. I didn’t know the names of all those fake news sites (but learned drudge dot com is different from drudge news — although drudge news is also largely false, the guy I think believes the things he says). It seems strange though that after she has said conservative Christians fall for this stuff and pass it along, the problem she seems to be concluding is not believing in right and wrong (which conservative Christians are very motivated to insist should be imposed* on people based on the Bible as they see it) and punishment. While it is the case a world of peace can’t be contrived, a world of just right punishment can’t either.
{Also, when links have been to videos and sites with articles there should be some notation or warning when the same appearance of a link is really going to be a download. Be aware, while I didn’t click on everything, if you click to look at various versions of “The Lord’s Prayer” you will take memory space.}
A comment on a link from her article: I do not remember how the first authors of the honey hunt story spelled their name. But I do prefer the original artwork or illustrations of the characters over the newer.
* One could say the main “punishment” they want imposed (on anyone, since theoretically no sin is worse than another except the sin of not being in their club), is that you should go to their clubs/churches. That’s the whole point of all the pressure about this sin and that sin. (That and the backing of conservative politics.)
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It’s interesting you brought this up. In looking at regular real news lately, I was thinking (as to Why… ). It seems there are people who like being bamboozled and want to be encouraged to be ditzy. You can look right at the news and see what a major figure said one day and what he does next and says in contradiction, and they love it so (no matter if the news is material for your mind to see what is happening). I think they are actually loving the lies and the embodiment of lies, the guy they can back no matter what; he himself said he could stand in the middle of the street and shoot someone dead, and he wouldn’t lose votes.
[Incidentally, a lot of big name Republicans aren’t going to the convention. One who is going is Bob Dole (the biggest name going, having been an earlier nominee for President), whose recommendation for vice presidential nominee is now Newt Gingrich. Moral of the story: trade in your wives and make sure you like the look of who is by your side, but embrace the self righteous platform.)] Get this; the presidential nominee was part of a scheme “Playbook”) to get people into an expensive “university” based on this business model: “You don’t sell products, benefits, or solutions — you sell feelings.” (The buyers/students wanted real solutions.)
These days there is often little difference between “fake news” sites and the “legitimate” media.
What I’m saying is you CAN see in the regular news what is happening. But it doesn’t stop “the base” (of conservatives) from supporting Trump. [I don’t consider the Drudge guy to be real news, btw.]
While you can see what is happening in the regular news, you see it within a presented context with associated commentary. The problem with (some) “regular media” is that so much is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and the Murdoch press in Australia is astoundingly bigoted and extremely right wing.
With commercial TV in Australia, most “news” programmes are presented as entertainment and not information. Maybe that kind of thing serves Trump well because of his “entertainment” value.
Over the past year I’ve turned mostly to the ABC (the non-commercial national broadcaster) for news. They try to present balance in their reports and as a result tend to be criticised by both sides of politics – a risky position to have when they rely on Government funding, however it tends to be the more conservative side that criticises them most and is more prone to reducing their funding.
Just a couple of replies. I’m British so the conservative/liberal debate is alien to me, and I quoted the comments about the fake sites from an investigation into that; however it does seem that a lot of fake sites ARE aimed at conservatives and christians (or both combined) which is not to say everyone will be taken in. I’m not sure where I said it’s “not about believing in right and wrong” but rather believing in truth as opposed to exaggeration. I had originally put PDF FILE against that one link but it got removed when I updated the URL, so I will replace that. Thanks for mentioning it.
Hi Tricia, I’m British born but have now lived in Australia for 45 years. Mostly we also have not had that great “conservative/liberal” divide of US politics, but there seems to be a growing number who are trying to create it. Sadly that number includes a “Christian” political party that has recently aligned itself with far-right extremists at a few protest rallies.
Several years ago the leader of that party “prophesied” a certain result of a Federal election, and when his “prophecy” failed, rather than confessing and repenting of his error, chose to blame the Christian community for not voting according to God’s revealed will (revealed of course via that failed “prophecy”).
The extreme political divide between conservative/liberal seems to be a mostly American obsession.
As a contrast, Australia’s most conservative major party is called the Liberal Party.
One of our most “conservative” candidates (now done) this primary/caucus season liked saying the word “liberal” at times in his stump speeches, as if he had discovered western culture is liberal — or like we should notice he’s so clever or magnanimous (whereas the very word liberal has been like a dirty word for decades here). In a way, although the divide has been mostly contrived in America (our form of it, amongst English nations), it puts us also into categories of oppressive nations that don’t recognize women’s rights or human rights and refuse to think things through (although/because we haven’t quite reached back to the atrocities of some of these places). For instance, Tim, you just posted a link to a news discussion about Egypt struggling with being conservative [the second topic in the recording, addressed after the initial topic of witnesses in — err — Iraq (?)]. (And, of course, Egypt isn’t the worst of them; they (Egypt) are seriously trying to totter back toward liberal.)
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I want to share also that there is another term for what we’ve been talking about… for at least something close (to M.E.*) if not the same: gas-lighting. So, for example, Donald Trump says something on one day and then denies he did so later (it can happen on the same day or another day). His behavior might “work” for him with a one-on-one situation — such as with a wife or girlfriend or even a client who doesn’t have a witness. I started noticing it with builders who work on homes and often talk to a wife without her husband or a husband without his wife. [I’ve also seen it with my husband, who I figured out didn’t care enough about me or relating to be honest about what we both knew.] I’ve observed this happens more often than I’d realized. And it recently was pointed out about Trump on a news show. I mean, I already knew what Trump was doing. But I hadn’t learned that term. The news guy said Trump was trying to gas-light the whole nation. So, I did a vocab search.
I’d heard the term before, but hadn’t looked it up. I’m guessing I had previously from context just thought it meant lying (and it is lying, but a more specific or specialized, and probably compulsive, kind). I would say it’s one kind of pathological lying (and it can go beyond a direct verbal telling of an untruth or lack of truth telling, but usually involves a verbal aspect). An additional example from Trump is his telling everyone that thousands of Muslims celebrated in the streets in New York after the World Trade Towers came down. This didn’t happen. I remember some Arabs in another place or two (overseas) doing this, dancing in the street, but not here. No one reported it or witnessed it at the time, but after Trump said it some people via social media “confirmed” what he said even though it wasn’t true. So the question with these things is how many people believe the rewriting of facts… and do those who remember correctly have enough agency not to be overwhelmed or squashed?
* Mandela Effect
– people stubbornly believing/insisting they remember something (false)
– gas-lighting
– or whatever that theory of physics was (referred to in either Tricia’s article or at a link from there)
[P.S. Your (Tricia) quote of what looked like maybe your idea of me quoting you was just a little bit not a quote of what I said, so I’m not sure, Tricia, if what I did say would make more sense to you (no real need, then, to form an answer to an implied question). Thus, I don’t know how to answer what you raised. But I will say this… the real threat isn’t so much silly websites of fake news fooling Christians. Christians have been putting out bologna for a while now themselves (already messing up their own, and others’, minds).
There is a site called the onion that everyone knew was all joking. Nevertheless, Christian conservatives couldn’t understand this. This in part led to an increase in putting stuff out there for these dingbats to freak out about. Kinda sounds to me like they want to blame others for their own lack(1) of critical thinking. I used to consider myself a Christian conservative. Then I realized I am responsible to think, which I already knew… but in taking the actual steps (which I had always been taking), I walked out of that into/through adulthood. (1) I don’t go to either these spoof sites or the Christian sites that are forever stirring people up.
I recall a defense of Catholic priests was that the secular culture had too much sexuality in it, so that was why these men who were supposed to be so awesome couldn’t control themselves. Lame.
{ The line (something like), “Please look at the different versions of the Lord’s Prayer” (underneath a couple versions) was a link… and one that went to a pdf unexpectedly. It is still not marked today. }
{ I checked back today. Rather than something like, as I put it just above… the line I’ve been talking about
(and, like I said, I didn’t try all links, so I don’t know how many others there might be) is a red-brown
sentence after a dot or bullet point: “Please compare the different versions over the years.” }
Anyway, to the point, I enjoy comparing translations instead of being bothered by them.
I’ve heard people complain before about there being versions other than the KJV.
This new strange idea, though, I hadn’t heard of. I find it to be very sad. I think
it’s a function of being afraid and anti-education (in the sense of real education).
Some people don’t actually know what education is any more… only indoctrination.
Thanks so much for checking back, as I honestly believed I’d updated ALL the pdf links but obviously missed this one. (WordPress is annoying, in that it abandons any changes if you go to another part of the blog, like media… but there is really no excuse for sloppiness on my part.) I appreciate your comments – very interesting.
Thanks for your comment, Tricia. I have no experience with running a blog (WordPress or other).
Maintaining a blog isn’t always an easy thing to do. Liked so many computer related things – as soon as you start getting used to it, things change: with new “improved” features that seem to redefine the meaning of the word “improved”.
The Bible is being changed – WITHIN THE LAST FEW WEEKS!!! (ALSO YOUR KJV’s!!!)
We have already some Bible-Verses that have been changed IN THE PRINTED BIBLES YOU HAVE AT HOME!!!
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Here you can find an OVERVIEW over so far known CHANGES IN THE BIBLE by the MANDELA-EFFECT – feel free to add more changes if you notice more changes – we NEED YOUR MEMORIES, thanks for your help: [URL deleted by blog owner]
There you can also find out WHY the mandela-Effect affects the Bible, and how to try to preserve scripture and how to memorize scripture very easily.
There’s REALLY PROOF for that it has been “LION and LAMB” in Isaiah 11:6 – now your physical Bibles (as well as your electronic Bibles) ALL have changed to “Wolve and Lamb”! : [URL deleted]
Don’t let people Gaslight you and make you doubt your memories! (Gaslighting is to deceive people that they distrust their own memories)
Btw. there’s already information available as to WHY they want (and do) change the Bibles – they want to change the key-phrases in the Bibles so that the Bibles will also fully support the coming New Age/New World Order Religion so that when then people read their Bibles, they WILL fall for the mark of the Beast and get deceived into taking it.
Here is the information as to WHY they change the Bibles: [URL deleted]
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Also join the Forum and stay up to date: [URL deleted by blog owner]
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Short Summary of Changes:
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Genesis 1:1 — heavenS (plural in the KJV) — HeaveN (singular in the KJV)
Genesis 3:15 — “crush” and “bruise” – “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; (he instead of it?) it shall CRUSH thy head, and thou shalt BRUISE his heel.” (Genesis 3:15; KJV) — “bruise” and “bruise” – “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall BRUISE thy head, and thou shalt BRUISE his heel.” (Genesis 3:15; KJV)
Isaiah 11:6 changed — “The lion also shall dwell with the lamb” — “The wolve also shall dwell with the lamb”
Lords Prayer changed — “Thy will be done ON earth as it is in heaven” (Mt6:10, KJV) AND “forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us” (Mt6:12, KJV) 1) — “Thy will we done IN earth as it is in heaven” (Mt6:10, KJV) AND “forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors” (Mt6:12, KJV)
Matthew 7:1 changed — “Judge not lest ye be judged” (Mt 7:1, KJV) — “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” (Mt 7:1, KJV)
Luke 17:31 changed — “In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his possessions in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.” 3)s — “In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.”
Luke 19:23 changed — To the exchangers 5) — “Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?” (Lk 19,23; KJV)
Luke 20:24 changed — “Shew me a denarius. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s.” (Lk 20,24; KJV) — “Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s.” (Lk 20,24; KJV) “And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.” (Rev 6,6; KJV)
Wineskins changed to Bottles in the KJV — wineskins — “Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.” (Mt 9,17; KJV) – “And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.” (Markus 2,22; KJV) – “And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.” (Lk 5,37; KJV)
Grain changed to corn — grain fields — “And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.” (Markus 2,23; KJV)
Luke 19:13 changed — was it mina or talent before? 11) — “And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds (μνᾶ), and said unto them , Occupy till I come.” (Lk 19,13; KJV)
Acts 3:19 changed — “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, AND times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;” (Acts 3:19; KJV) — “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, WHEN THE times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;” (Acts 3,19; KJV)
John 8:32 changed — “And you shall know the truth and the truth shall SET you free” — “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (Joh 8,32; KJV)
Luke 19:27 — “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and remove from my presence.” (Luke 19,27; KJV) — “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19,27; KJV)
I allowed the above comment through moderation as a demonstration of the very sad fact that people are really falling for the conspiracy nonsense mentioned in Tricia Tillin’s article.
I suggest that anyone with a love of conspiracies should STOP searching the internet and START reading the Bible instead. Instead of relying on what others say about the Bible, they should READ IT FOR THEMSELVES. Don’t put your trust in devious conspiracy theorists who want to lead you away from the truth.
I see that the example of the lion and the lamb being changed to wolf and the lamb is referenced above. I wonder when this change was supposed to have happened? I know I initially assumed the reference was “lion” until DECADES AGO I saw that the actually BIBLICAL reference was to “wolf”. That was something I learned from actually reading scripture for myself.
I have deleted all of the links in the previous comment. I prefer not to promote access to dodgy sites.
I also was a recipient of this information on my own blog, by the same man. I chose not to authorise it. Like you, I do not want anybody to follow such links. My only response to him would have been “so, you didn’t bother to read my article then?” But you see, this is the problem, and it’s a worrying problem, many people prefer the ear-tickling fantasy to solid biblical proof, and they prefer to believe their own minds and memories rather than the plain evidence. I would like to ask these people to go and view the extant scripture manuscripts or facsimiles of them, and point out where the verse said “the lion” because they cannot. It never did say lion. However, the counter-argument is that “CERN changed all the documents, including the originals”. In the face of such stupidity and stubborn refusal to be corrected, what can anyone do? let the blind lead the blind and they will all fall into a pit, unfortunately.
Hi Tricia, there are many individuals and groups who take up the task of exposing and warning against false teachers, and some of them can be very helpful to those who are genuinely desiring the truth. However, it’s a sad fact that for every false teacher there are countless followers and supporters.
It can be easy to focus on the dangers of false teachers, but false teachers couldn’t exist without faithful followers who prefer what those teachers are promoting above the simple and uncomplicated truth.