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Heterophobia!


Double standards are clearly being displayed as society’s acceptance of homosexuality becomes more widespread. Anyone speaking out against its acceptability is immediately labelled homophobic and their views are portrayed as aberrant. Those whose views are shaped by God’s standards, revealed in scripture, are increasingly becoming society’s outcasts.

A Canberra couple that vowed to get divorced if same sex marriage was legalised, are facing intense public backlash and have had their controversial views condemned by family and friends.

In a piece written for Canberra City News last week, Nick Jensen wrote that he and his wife Sarah would not wish to be associated with any new definition of marriage.

“My wife and I, as a matter of conscience, refuse to recognise the government’s regulation of marriage if its definition includes the solemnisation of same sex couples,” Mr Jensen wrote.

The Jensens, who are devout, practising Christians, have faced public ridicule since the controversial piece made headlines across the country.

Full article here:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/28477587/couple-face-backlash-over-plans-to-divorce-if-gay-marriage-allowed/

This week I’ve noticed a window display in my town centre, in which the local High School professes support for the “LGBT community” – although they’ve added several more letters (that I don’t remember) to include other variations of the same theme, the last being Q for “queer”. The window is decorated with rainbows – a symbol used by God as a reminder of His covenant with all of mankind, now appropriated by mankind to symbolise rebellion against Him.

While the Australian government has lagged behind most of the world in its acceptance of same sex marriage, I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before it joins the pied piper procession and God’s people will be increasingly marginalised.

As we move further down that road we should take the opportunity to think more about our citizenship, and whether our interests and allegiance lie within worldly nations, or TRULY within God’s Kingdom. To which kingdom do we belong?

Regarding the political issue of same sex marriage, I recognise that marriage isn’t the real issue. Trying to prevent it is like the old saying about closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. The issue was sealed when homosexuality became acceptable to the wider society. In a secular society where homosexuality is seen as acceptable, there is no valid reason for that secular society to deny marriage to homosexuals. It is merely more evidence of the path society has chosen to follow instead of following God.

While many Christians see homosexuality as something that will bring God’s judgement upon a nation, the biblical reality is different. Paul reveals that increasing acceptance of homosexuality is itself God’s judgement. As mankind increasingly abandons God, He will give them over to the things they choose above Him.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 1because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1)

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55 Responses to “Heterophobia!”


  1. 1 Unprofitable Servant
    June 19, 2015 at 5:36 pm

    The Amish in the US are one of the few groups that have NEVER allowed marriage licenses and marry in the presence of God at a church with no permission from ANYONE but Him. The only record is in the family Bible.

    Perhaps they had it right all along…. One thing you can’t accuse the Amish of is being POM’s.. That’s for sure…

    This vile tactic has been going on in the US for some time now and now ratcheted up even more with Bruce Jenner (Mr. All American) mutilating himself. Unfortunately for him, every chromosome in his body still screams XY no matter how much makeup or womens clothing he wears….

    Did you hear about the white woman in the NAACP that resigned this week for claiming she was black? I’m NOT making this up.

    It’s coming down to they are denying Gods natural order of things in each and every way and expecting us to go along with it.

    What’s next? People saying they are animals and expecting us all to believe it?

  2. 2 Unprofitable Servant
    June 19, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    PS: They need a heavy dose of hellphobia before they get sent there for their abominations!

  3. 3 Marleen
    June 21, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    The father of my children spent ten years going to church, while we were apart from each other living separately, bragging about the Christian books he was reading, insisting I sign an agreement to read one of those books, journaling about reading the Bible, doing things for the church and with its people (a large organisation, so not all the people), talking about God and how he’s thankful to God for life, buying into the politics (anti-gay, anti-sensitivity-training, anti-divorce — which brings with it bitter spite when there is a separation that involves anything but getting right back together or a quick “sorry-okay-whatever” and spite even when getting back together, no heart for corrections — libertarian/Republican chauvinism). We get back together and he tells me he falls asleep reading the Bible (it can’t hold his attention over about two lines), public nudity is part of who he is, everyone is bi-sexual, he doesn’t owe me anything (like normal stuff he has easy access to such as health insurance through his work, but of course “Obama Care” is evil — wait, who’s evil?), and on it goes.

  4. June 22, 2015 at 8:57 am

    UPS, it’s a sad symptom of the world’s relativist mindset where everyone’s “truth” is seen as equally legitimate.
    Bruce Jenner believes he is now Caitlyn, so the world applauds and supports his personal “truth”.
    Likewise the white woman chooses to believe she is black, so that becomes the “truth”.

    Somehow I don’t think that ability to self-deceive will survive the grave. They will KNOW the truth of their situation then.

  5. June 22, 2015 at 9:16 am

    “he tells me …everyone is bi-sexual…”

    While homosexual arguments include: they were born that way, or that homosexuality is a genetically determined thing (in other words they can’t help being attracted to members of the same sex), I’m starting to see an increasing trend towards “fluidity” – drifting between homosexual and heterosexual relationships as it seems convenient.

  6. June 22, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    I’ve just seen an article about a nine year old “transgender” boy who wants to return to school as a girl. He has his mother’s “proud support”.

    As society becomes more accepting of such things, the more cases like this there will be.

    God’s judgement will increasingly give a nation over to the depravity it chooses.

  7. 7 Marleen
    June 23, 2015 at 2:24 am

    It seems to me an outgrowth of the hypocrisy of Christians who have portrayed themselves as moral and conservative. All kinds of rules for everyone else, but somehow everything’s okay whatever they do — just forgive them, don’t hold them accountable, be glad they figured out how to get away with it. Endure. Sh-sh.

  8. June 23, 2015 at 8:29 am

    “All kinds of rules for everyone else, but somehow everything’s okay whatever they do — just forgive them, don’t hold them accountable”

    I’ve been thinking about the biggest lie to enter Christian belief.
    I think what you say above highlights what that lie is – the idea that (professing) followers of Jesus aren’t accountable, that whatever they do God’s grace will lead automatically to forgiveness. As if God is no longer concerned with sin as long as we profess to have “faith in Jesus”.

    If we examine that attitude, we see it goes way back to the garden of Eden where the serpent assured Eve that it didn’t matter if she disobeyed God, that God wouldn’t carry out His judgement if she and Adam ate the fruit. However, today we ought to have no excuse. We have the examples, not only of Adam and Eve but also of countless other people in scripture who fell under God’s punishment for their disobedience.

    That doesn’t only apply to the so-called Old Testament days. The New Testament DIDN’T usher in a time of grace where disobedience and sin is no longer important. Sin under the New Covenant still has the same penalty, is no less destructive and is viewed no differently by God.

    Jesus didn’t make sin acceptable, He provided a way for our sin to be forgiven and for us to be cleansed of it. But that forgiveness and cleansing is CONDITIONAL.

    In the past I’ve used the following analogy: God’s forgiveness is like a safety net that catches us when we fall. It is not a trampoline we jump on for amusement.

  9. 9 Marleen
    June 23, 2015 at 4:20 pm

    I’m trying to think of a way to extend your analogy to include the ways of using one’s own sins to throw others overboard — maybe into a dragnet rather than a safety net — in order to deal with one’s sins in a way that doesn’t deal with them. For example, said father of children decided to dazzle his church with a vision about dancing cats (big cats, not house cats) in war gear… and then come to me and tell me those cats were demons in my life (according to him, causing me not have peace with him) such that I should deal with my demons. Problem with that: I have never had those cats in my life — unless having HIM in my life is having demons around. HE danced with those cats when he was on an acid trip when I had never been in his life and hadn’t met him. He had never spoken negatively about that experience, and after I didn’t accept his blame on me that I was the one with demons and causing strife, he went back to happily telling the story of HIS dancing with cats (no problem).

    Here is an example of how people we [whoever might fit for the we] have viewed, as Christian brothers, have dealt with subjects for far too long. I can hope that many will be able to see, but most who haven’t “seen” the motives and direction already probably haven’t noticed because they love their blindness. What is displayed, other than the obvious essential surface subject, is dishonesty (at a level approaching bearing false witness, particularly on Huckabee’s part, but at least trying to put others down instead of owning up to oneself). Additionally, there is a comment on a campaign trail with cheering admirers where, looking at the crudeness of it, I dare say his rhetoric is of the Sodom spirit (genesis 19, and also judges 19) — that of dominance and harm and self interest.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/confederate-flag-loses-clout-in-gop-politics-469706819526

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/racist-group-lurks-behind-thin-political-veil-469691971967
    This video shows another use of “rainbow” (6:10-7:00) in politics rather than to mean what God gave it to say.
    The person focused on once the video picks up steam is a pardoner of murderers (as G.W. Bush pardoned one).

  10. 10 Unprofitable Servant
    June 25, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    Please Lord Jesus

    Come quickly!

    Please!

    But Ones, can you see the concerted effort going on worldwide to force acceptance of these abominations?

  11. 11 Unprofitable Servant
    June 26, 2015 at 3:43 am

    But I digress

    A MAN IS NOT FREE IF HIS SPEECH IS NOT FREE

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Daubenmire/dave424.htm

    And regardless of mans laws concerning “free speech”, we must obey God rather than man….

    If that includes confronting abominations when it is “illegal” to do so, so be it.

  12. June 26, 2015 at 8:17 am

    You see “concerted effort”, I see Romans 1.

  13. June 26, 2015 at 8:26 am

    Attitudes to “freedom of speech” can either be political or they can be Godly.

    As for “confronting abominations”, that depends on the motivation behind the confrontation. Is it done to promote God’s Kingdom or merely to exercise “freedom”. Is it done in the hope that Godliness will be the result, or is it done to offend and provoke an angry response?

    A Christian has the God given freedom to speak Godly things whether the law of the land permits it or not. Likewise, God does not give Christian the freedom to be offensive for the sake of offence, even if the law of the land permits it.

  14. 14 Marleen
    June 26, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    That is quite a hubbub of thoughts in that article by the coach. With regard to the “southern flag” (not really the southern flag, but oh well), “I have this flag all over my car and clothing and so on because I have to kill you since you rape our women and are taking our country from us” is hate speech, any way you cut it. As for churches not speaking out, there are plenty of churches who talk about homosexuality as evil, not many that talk about what is going on in the Bible. Of course it doesn’t matter what women have to say; abusing them is fine.

  15. 15 Unptofitable Servant
    June 27, 2015 at 6:07 am

    Of course it should be done for the salvation of the sinners soul with zero other motives. But I do believe Jesus did confront the hypocrites with no care of what they thought about the truth. And He knew they would be offended before He spoke.

  16. 16 UnprofitableS Servant
    June 28, 2015 at 4:30 am

    CDC: Less than 2% of US population are sodomites

    If there is no concerted effort to FORCE Romans 1 abominations on the US then why, pray tell me, was it possible for less than 2% of the population of the US to overthrow the will of 98% of the people in a country that is “supposedly” a “majority rule” nation?

  17. June 29, 2015 at 8:25 am

    UPS, Please read what I said again, then read it again and again until you actually understand what I said regarding “freedom of speech”.

  18. June 29, 2015 at 9:48 am

    UPS, Your “argument” is built on faulty logic.

    I’d say those percentages are very questionable, but even if they were accurate only 2% of the population were homosexual, that does not mean that the remaining 98% are against homosexuality. It is possible that the majority of that 98% support the alleged 2% homosexual population. I would also say that an increasing number (and maybe a majority) DO accept and support homosexuality, even though they are not homosexual themselves.

    I deleted the long list of links you provided. It is not the purpose of this blog to be a distribution centre for other sites.

  19. 19 Marleen
    June 29, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    Also, the U.S. is not straight up majority rule. Never intended to be.

  20. June 29, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    Majority rule can never really occur when all people don’t vote. Rule by default is often the outcome.

    Even in Australia where voting is compulsory, we only vote for candidates and not legislative outcomes. What those candidates choose to do AFTER they’ve won a vote is out of the voter’s hands until the next election which is often too late for legislation to be changed.

  21. 21 Unprofitable Servant
    June 29, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    I do understand freedom of speech. And I also know what unbridled freedom out from under the thumb of a fallible human monarch is.

    The way it was set up originally was that man was accountable to God alone here. No others. I know you are unable to understand that so I should just stop trying. You have to live it, not hear about it.

    Native Aussies likely understand that somewhat. That’s why they have the phrase POM is it not?

    Americans always had two choices really. The freedom to choose sin or the freedom to choose God. Too bad most chose the former and got us in the trouble we are in as a nation.

    1 Corinthians 7:23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men.

  22. 22 Unprofitable Servant
    June 29, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    You said,

    “A Christian has the God given freedom to speak Godly things whether the law of the land permits it or not. Likewise, God does not give Christian the freedom to be offensive for the sake of offence, even if the law of the land permits it.”

    At some point Ones, our very existence will be an offence to the people of the world and keeping our mouth shut will be agreeing with their sin which will be offensive to God.

    I guess then you’ll understand that you can’t be a coward and be afraid to say anything offensive to anyone when they are offending God with their very lives.

    I seriously think some people will do ANYTHING to get along at all costs and I’m NOT one of those people.

  23. 23 Unprofitable Servant
    June 29, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    And Ones.

    Your warped insistence in being so very trusting of your “great leaders” and refusal to see that rich and powerful men actually do plot evil in this world may just cost you your soul for eternity.

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you though and repeatedly at that. God is my witness.

  24. June 30, 2015 at 9:10 am

    UPS, your continued devotion to conspiracy theory has clearly affected your perceptive abilities and you see conspiracies everywhere. I have no trust in any “great leaders” within the world systems. They are responsible for countless wrongs, errors and occasionally outright evil decisions and actions.
    HOWEVER, I will not criticise any of them for things they HAVE NOT done. I will NOT dream up crimes to attribute to them and make myself a liar.

    Once again I STRONGLY suggest that you give up your worship of conspiracy and let scripture alone inform your understanding of God, His ways and His purposes, then you have a better chance of seeing the world according to God’s revelation instead of according to the vain, wild imaginations of men.

    Subject closed AGAIN!!!
    If you can’t take the above advice then please peddle your conspiracies elsewhere.

  25. June 30, 2015 at 9:22 am

    UPS said:

    “At some point Ones, our very existence will be an offence to the people of the world and keeping our mouth shut will be agreeing with their sin which will be offensive to God.”

    Which is why my views on “freedom of speech” are determined by God’s word and HIS standards and not man’s laws.

    Wilful offense FOR THE SAKE OF OFFENSE, even when speaking the truth is not God’s way. That is far different from a case where speaking the truth FOR THE SAKE OF THE TRUTH offends those who hate the truth.

    It is not a matter of “doing anything to get along at all costs” – it’s a matter of not making offense the primary goal. “Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.

  26. 26 Unptofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 9:41 am

    Ones,

    “I have no trust in any “great leaders” within the world systems. They are responsible for countless wrongs, errors and occasionally outright evil decisions and actions.”

    Thank you for admitting that. It gives me SOME hope for you. I was very concerned that you couldn’t even see that. And as long as you can see at least that much, I’ll pray that The Lord reveal the rest to you.

    I’m sure you’ve seen what’s in the Australian news today. It’s also in US news.

    I pray that The Lord God Almighty would CONTINUALLY expose these things to you until you see the WHOLE truth of the magnitude of the evil we face in the world today.

    I do know the truth of scripture and ALSO watch as Jesus said ALONG with taking heed NO ONE deceives me.

    And please understand I have no animosity towards you.

    My animosity is against EVERY FALSE WAY no matter where they exist.

  27. 27 Unptofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 9:47 am

    Concerning the topic

    There ARE other scriptures in The New Testament that speak of the judgment of God going MUCH further than what is described in Romans 1 to the reprobate! The being given over to abominations is only the first step.

    2 Peter 2:6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

    Today is afterward is it not?

    Jude 1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday, today AND forever!

    If He decides it’s time for a nation to burn to ashes in the here and now for its sins, He is well able to make it happen BEFORE judgment day arrives.

  28. 28 Unptofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 10:07 am

    And Ones,

    My main point of contention with you since I met you at RS years ago is that you seemed to forget much of the exposing of evil that was discussed there and NITW.

    I’ve watched numerous sites that seemed to stand for the truth fall by the wayside in the years since then and I said to myself, “Where is everybody? Is anyone still standing for the truth, against lies and exposing evil wherever it exists?”

    I also see that Trent closed his site recently. Do you have any idea where he is? Is he still around anywhere that you know of?

  29. 29 Unptofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 10:12 am

    “HOWEVER, I will not criticise any of them for things they HAVE NOT done. I will NOT dream up crimes to attribute to them and make myself a liar.”

    Believe it or not… I also hold myself to that same standard.

    I do not wish to pin anything on anyone that isn’t true.

  30. June 30, 2015 at 11:25 am

    But you have continued to do so in your comments to me.

  31. June 30, 2015 at 11:28 am

    “…you seemed to forget much of the exposing of evil that was discussed …”

    Which is evidence that you’ve paid very little attention to anything I’ve actually said – but have projected your own conspiracy-tinted interpretations on to things I’ve said.

  32. June 30, 2015 at 11:38 am

    For the past week or so the Rupert Murdoch owned press have been rabid in their criticism of the ABC, (the Australian national broadcaster), because they allowed a man who had served a jail term for terrorist related crimes to offer an opinion on a live discussion show, Murdoch press has been noticeably quiet about the same man being invited to appear on another show on a different channel the next day.

    Many people have commented on the man’s appearances on both shows, saying that his own words are his worst enemy. That his character is shown and condemned by the views he expressed.

    Sometimes a persons words and actions are a much more effective commentary on their own beliefs, influences and character than the most rigorous dissection of their words by someone else could provide.

  33. 33 Unprofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    Where I have erred, may the Lord and also you forgive me.

    However, Dispensationalism MUST be examined in DETAIL by anyone who names the Name of Christ.

    Every last detail of it, the fruit of the author C.I. Scofield, and the background of his financial backers.

    Dispensationalism is THE main deception the Body of Christ faces today and even those who have thrown some of it off such as the pre-trib “rapture” are corrupted by the parts they refuse to throw off.

    Christ made ONE new man out of the two for example.

    Dispensationalism has taken the ONE new man and changed them back into two again AGAINST the scriptures,

    Revelation 2:9 I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

  34. 34 Unprofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    I wasn’t talking about Murdoch.

  35. June 30, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    I agree that dispensationalism and its pre-trib rapture teaching is false but this topic has nothing to do with Dispensationalism.

  36. June 30, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    I never said you were talking about Murdoch.

    I was making a point that a person’s own words often give better insight to the lack of validity of their viewpoint (exposing their biases and influences) than any argument that another person can offer against it.
    In other words, it’s not always necessary to answer the same claims over and over again when the person making those claims effectively undermines their own credibility.

    [note: I have again deleted a long list of links to news items from various sources as per my statement in an earlier comment]

  37. 37 Unprofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    Yes.

    But you did say:

    “I have no trust in any “great leaders” within the world systems. They are responsible for countless wrongs, errors and occasionally outright evil decisions and actions.”

    I rest my case as that is all I was ever wanting you to admit. And I’m going to print that out and frame it. It shall remain a treasured possession of mine till heaven and earth pass away!

    But I’ll level with you Ones.

    I have discovered in my research that MANY in the so-called truth movement are satanic infiltrators that spread deception and lies and I avoid them now. However, there are a few that DO indeed expose things that are truly going on. Very few and they are fellow believers.

    I’ll tell you what.

    I ask you to pray that the Lord will show me where there is no conspiracy.

    In turn, I’m going to pray that the Lord show you where there is.

    Sound fair enough?

    I really don’t want to contend with you anymore.

  38. June 30, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    Quote from UPS

    Yes.
    But you did say:
    “I have no trust in any “great leaders” within the world systems. They are responsible for countless wrongs, errors and occasionally outright evil decisions and actions.”
    I rest my case as that is all I was ever wanting you to admit.

    _____________________

    What on earth are you going on about?

    That all you ever wanted was me to admit to something that is blindingly obvious, something that I’ve never denied?

    Congratulations on the success of your strawman quest.

    Can I take your last sentence about not wanting to contend with me anymore as a promise?

  39. 39 Unprofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    Honestly I never did want to contend with you.

    When we first met at RS we were “on the same page” as I recall.

    It’s only when you began to deny that there were ANY conspiracies in the world whatsoever that I began to wonder where your head was at.

    I’m serious in asking for you to pray for me that the Lord will show me where no conspiracies exist.

    Researching through the years and being slightly shaken by infiltrators has left me somewhat jaded and I don’t want any of that to affect my walk with the Lord.

    Romans 16:19 For your obedience has become known to all. Therefore I am glad on your behalf; but I want you to be wise in what is good, and simple concerning evil.

    I do want to be simple concerning evil as you can get dirty if not.

    Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief, And he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

    Greif and sorrow is right but it has prepared me to spot deceivers at first sight much of the time.

    Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

    Ignoring clear and present danger concerning things that ARE actually going on is denying reality and taking part in lies.

    Just recently, I had to rebuke someone out of my house that has gotten involved in Essene heresy.

    The person was offended that I was “lecturing them” and as they left I told them, “Sorry but I can’t have heresy in my house”

    I’ve found that most of the “conspiracy wacko’s” along with false teachers and false prophets are into gnosticism which a great deal of the New Testament speaks volumes against.

  40. 40 Unprofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    FYI, the “big dog” of conspiracy in Texas just “showed his hand” several weeks ago by spouting new age gnostic doctrine thinking Christians wouldn’t notice.

    But they did and real Christians are leaving his site now. That is a good thing.

  41. 41 Unprofitable Servant
    June 30, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    You do know that gnosticism is the problem with guys like Andrew Strom and Co. right? It’s the religion of the coming beast from all indications.

  42. July 1, 2015 at 8:28 am

    “It’s only when you began to deny that there were ANY conspiracies in the world whatsoever ”

    I have NEVER said there aren’t ANY conspiracies in the world – it’s people attributing EVERYTHING to a conspiracy that I oppose. And when people give significance to “conspiracy” as if its something special.
    Sin is sin in the individual and it is sin when it has some kind of corporate element.

    You don’t need prayer to be shown where no conspiracies exist – whether there are conspiracies or not is an irrelevance.

  43. July 1, 2015 at 8:31 am

    I don’t know who this “big dog” is, but Gnosticism would be behind a lot of the conspiracy promoters – they clearly claim to have some special knowledge of what’s “really” happening in the world that the every day person is blind to. That’s why the “everyday person” needs to follow them like a guru to be made aware of the “truth” behind everything that happens in the world.

  44. July 1, 2015 at 8:37 am

    Andrew Strom is a sincere Christian wanting to serve the Lord but often going the wrong way about it. Andrew focuses too much on not despising prophecy and too little on testing it. He has often referred to the first part of Pauls directions of how to respond to prophecy, but I don’t recall ever seeing him move past “don’t despise” to the part about testing and only holding on to what is good.

  45. 45 Unprofitable Servant
    July 1, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    I strongly doubt that Strom is “sincere Christian wanting to serve the Lord”.

    In the discussions I had with him at RS, he said, “There is no razors edge.” when talking about the absolute authority of the scriptures in a Christians life,

    To which I replied,

    Hebrews 4::12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    I never got a reply back.

    There are “churches” similar to the ones he seems to have an affinity for in the US filled with the disciples of the NAR. If anyone gets saved in such a “church” it is only because the Lord not allowing His Word to return void when they accidentally preach out of the Bible’s that they largely ignore in favor of “words from the lord” which most of the time are delusions of their own minds.

    Last I was at his site, he was still actively promoting the NAR and all the false signs and wonders that go with it.

    I someone calls themselves a Christian AND becomes a teacher with such woefully lacking discernment, I have to seriously doubt they are being led by God in anything they do.

    Strom needs to repent of all of his false ways and actually get saved by the REAL gospel, not another gospel which I believe he is trapped by.

    2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted–you may well put up with it!

    Galatians 1:7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

    If he wants to keep clinging to the false teachers, false prophets and a false gospel, he may well put up with it as Paul said.

    But he won’t be able to put up with the consequences of doing so,

  46. 46 Unprofitable Servant
    July 1, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    BTW, the “big dog” is Alex Jones.

    He did a whole show several weeks ago preaching new age gnostic garbage and he just lost ALL of the discerning Christians that used to cautiously listen to the 90% truth of exposing the corruption he did.

    There are several true brothers in the Lord on YouTube that preach the Word AND expose everything and more that Jones did from a Biblical worldview which Jones never did.

    But like a brother from Africa said years ago: Rat poison is only 5% poison and 95% inert ingredients.

    It’s not the 95% that kills you…

  47. 47 Unprofitable Servant
    July 1, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    Also, allow me to relate a personal experience that a brother and I had about 8 years ago.

    We walked into a “pastors” home who has a co-“pastor” wife and they asked us to take a look at a video they just got from someone in their “church”.

    About 2 minutes into it the man started stating that he and someone else were “Playing catch with the holy spirit” (I LOATHE to even bring that up it makes me so sick to my stomach but he did say it.)

    At that point, we both got up and I said, “OK, that’s all we need to hear, that guy is a false teacher and false prophet.”

    The video was by Sid Roth and he was the one who made that horribly disrespectful statement about what they thought was The Spirit of God.

    I don’t know if it crossed the line of blasphemy but it made us both ill beyond words.

    Neither of us ever went back to their home or “church” because if they call themselves teachers and can’t see that was deception, they have NO business teaching the flock of God in ANY WAY.

    If Christians don’t start to learn and exercise discernment QUICKLY, the “gold dust” and “jewels from heaven” false signs will be the least of their problems.

    They will NEVER withstand the great signs and wonders or the strong delusion if they think “gold dust” is from God.

  48. July 1, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    You said:

    I strongly doubt that Strom is “sincere Christian wanting to serve the Lord”.

    Which proves the foolishness of judging people according to brief (and combative) interaction via the internet.

  49. 49 Unprofitable Servant
    July 2, 2015 at 3:18 am

    Come now Ones…

    We both know that Andrew favors “words from the lord” over the written Word of God.

    And he tests few things when we are instructed by the written Word of God to test all things.

    The true remnant does not need a banner on the top of their website or a bullhorn to convince everyone that they are the remnant, their fruit speaks for itself.

    There is nothing new under the sun.

    The same lie told in the garden that they would “be as God” if they ate the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is still the lie being told today.

    Those who claim to have a corner on the truth whether it be secular gnostics or religious gnostics are still eating of the tree.

    Those who submit to the truth of the written Word are the ones who have the corner on the truth and they don’t brag about it.

  50. 50 Unprofitable Servant
    July 2, 2015 at 4:06 am

    Well then, the Lord rebuke ME for interpreting your unwillingness to discuss conspiracy as rejecting that any exist.

    I repent and ask for your forgiveness.

    Also, please understand that I don’t have an irrational obsession concerning conspiracy. I merely want to know what is going on in the world up to the minute so I am not deceived by their tricks. And I do test everything before accepting anything as fact.

  51. July 2, 2015 at 8:25 am

    UPS said: “Well then, the Lord rebuke ME for interpreting your unwillingness to discuss conspiracy as rejecting that any exist.”

    Would you say that my unwillingness to discuss knitting means that I reject that knitting exists?

    UPS said: “Also, please understand that I don’t have an irrational obsession concerning conspiracy. I merely want to know what is going on in the world up to the minute so I am not deceived by their tricks.”

    If you want to know what is going on in the world then STOP looking for conspiracies in everything and STOP assuming that everything is a conspiracy.
    Forget about conspiracies.
    Mostly they don’t exist, and when they do it is irrelevant to the gospel of the Kingdom. If you want to avoid being deceived it’s the TRUTH you need to look to. You don’t find truth through trying to find insight from the wicked imaginations of man.

  52. July 2, 2015 at 12:35 pm

    UPS said: “We both know that Andrew favors “words from the lord” over the written Word of God.”

    I wouldn’t say he favours the former over the latter. He adds the former to the latter, but like the majority of people with any kind of Christian belief, he tends to favour certain PARTS of the latter more than others.

    Show me any doctrinal disagreement, controversy or error and I’ll show you someone who pushes parts of scripture aside while highlighting other parts of scripture.
    Too often those who think they are submitting “to the truth of the written word” are submitting to selective parts of the written word, but they are not really submitting to the GOD revealed throughout the whole of the written word.

  53. 53 Unprofitable Servant
    July 3, 2015 at 7:04 am

    “Would you say that my unwillingness to discuss knitting means that I reject that knitting exists? ”

    Sigh… No, but I wish you would have clarified that you do believe that SOME conspiracies exist. Both for my sake and yours. Perhaps I should have asked in a more direct way without being combative.

    But when Jesus said “Watch” He wasn’t talking about observing the timepiece on ones wrist.

    And when He said, “Take heed no one deceives you.” He was talking about every man, woman and child living on the earth, not some.

  54. 54 Unprofitable Servant
    July 3, 2015 at 7:06 am

    “Too often those who think they are submitting “to the truth of the written word” are submitting to selective parts of the written word, but they are not really submitting to the GOD revealed throughout the whole of the written word.”

    I agree

  55. July 6, 2015 at 8:21 am

    Of course conspiracies exist, just as murders, robberies, rapes and other criminal things exist – but their mere existence means nothing. When people give them a “cosmic” significance and try to justify their personal interest by linking it to biblical prophecy it not only draws those people astray, it muddies the waters of prophecy and misrepresents GENUINE biblical and prophetic truth.
    And while general conspiracies exist, the conspiracies that are obsessed over by “Christian” conspiracy theorists are little different to the claim’s of those obsessed with UFO coverups, crop circles, chem-trails, HAARP and countless similar baseless ideas. They just throw in a few references to end-times to give “Christian legitimacy” to the claims.

    It’s ironic that you should say “take heed that no one deceives you” because the mix of conspiracy theory and end time prophecy is a very popular deception that fits in very well with biblical warnings about false prophecy and false prophets. The promoters of conspiracy theory are far more deceptive and dangerous than the wide-ranging “conspiracies” they claim to be exposing.


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