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King Hit? Coward Punch? Murder!


I finished reading Numbers a few days ago. One part seemed very topical.

In Australia over the last several months there has been a lot of discussion about deaths caused by single punches, where people have been hit from behind with one punch to the head. At first the media were calling these punches “king hits” but later they changed the terminology to “coward punch”.

Some of the people responsible for punches that led to death were getting quite lenient sentences – and politicians responded to public outrage by trying to change the law to create a mandatory sentence of 8 years.

Now back to Numbers.

If the standard detailed in Numbers was applied to Australian law, every one of those guilty of killing someone with a single punch, regardless of their intent, would be declared a murderer and executed. It wouldn’t matter whether the person intended to kill with that punch, but merely the fact that intentional hostility was involved, that the punch was thrown in anger, was enough to make the resulting death an act of murder.

Now wouldn’t that make people think twice about the effects of their anger and how they act in response to that anger!
Well… probably not.

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31 Responses to “King Hit? Coward Punch? Murder!”


  1. March 16, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    My how this does get around. So sad.

  2. March 17, 2014 at 11:31 am

    Hi Ruth,
    I recently read that in New York it’s becoming a kind of “sport” to run up to someone and punch them from behind, knocking the victim unconscious (if they’re “lucky”) without having any idea what has happened.
    Several men have been killed in “one punch” incidents in Sydney in the past year – and others have been left hospitalised for long periods.

    When I read Numbers, I saw a big difference between God’s view of those actions and those of our legal systems.

    God’s view is further revealed in Jesus’s teaching: “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.”

  3. 3 Marleen
    March 18, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    It seems to me the anger aspect puts someone in danger of judgment or potentially so.

  4. March 18, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Judgement always comes in response to illegal activity. It all depends on the degree that behaviour is deemed acceptable or not.
    In western law, it seems that it is more acceptable to punch someone, resulting in their death, as long as death wasn’t intended, than it is to punch someone with the intent to kill.
    I noted that the law described in Numbers doesn’t make that distinction. Death resulting from a hostile action was considered murder – no matter what the intent.

  5. 5 Marleen
    March 18, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    Yes, even without anger (as sport or a dare to have such disregard don’t require anger at the person).

    But, yeah, I’ve been surprised to learn that some legal realms not only debate intent but use the concept of passion as a defense. That’s largely outdated, but not completely. And now we have other ridiculous excuses, like a self-agrandizing aggressor claiming to be afraid of the person he stalked.

  6. 6 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 11:51 am

    My condolences to the family of this man and hope he was a believer in Jesus but this incident begs the question:

    When are they going to confiscate all of these deadly hands used to commit such crimes?

    Hands are not safe to be possessed by the general public if this kind of thing can happen.

  7. April 28, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Another foolish and irrelevant observation from the gun lobby.

    Hands were created by God for a worthy purpose.

    Guns were created by man to kill and destroy.

    End of discussion. Any similar comments will be deleted.

  8. 8 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    I actually think this is a bit more complicated.

    Joshua expands on the thoughts of Numbers and speaks of a requirement of the guilty to hate the person beforehand as well as it being intentional.

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/nkjv/joshua/20.html

    We all know that for over 100 years secular humanism has been taught in all western education systems and the time to reap for all of that evil sowing it seems is upon us.

    There were never Columbine type incidents back in the 1980’s and before because the last vestiges of morality were yet to be destroyed.

    So, did these perpetuators of “king hits” actually possess hatred towards their victims or were they just following their secular humanist evolutionist schooling of “mindless pursuits”, “do what ever you will” and “survival of the fittest”?

    And are their educators equally to blame for producing these types of social degenerates?

    I think so.

  9. 9 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Who’s talking about guns? Seems it was you that brought it up..

  10. April 28, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    I’m not stupid, and I haven’t forgotten earlier comments you’ve made.

  11. 11 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    [deleted as forewarned – onesimus]

  12. April 28, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Hatred isn’t required. Just a hostile intent.
    If a punch is intentionally thrown with the intent to cause some harm – that is sufficient, whether death or serious injury were intended or not.

  13. 13 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Nobody was calling you stupid either.

    The point is we should ALL be kind and responsible with hands, knives, crowbars, tire irons and all other potentially dangerous tools and objects.

  14. April 28, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    Trying to convince me that your comments regarding “hands” wasn’t related to your previous comments related to gun issues seems to be a clear indication that you think I’m not smart enough, (or my memory is too deficient) to make that connection.

  15. 15 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    But what if these kids are so demoralized they cant even tell right from wrong anymore?

    I mean what NORMAL person goes around punching people in the head for fun?

    The fact they were doing it for “fun” is what makes me wonder about hostile intent.

    School kids have been taught that evil is good and good is evil for over a century now and with greater fervency since the 1960’s.

    Not trying to excuse murder but I honestly think they didn’t and don’t even think of the consequences beforehand.

    They call it “brain dead” or “dead from the neck up” in America.

    And if they don’t repent, they will surely burn in hell for these acts whatever the reason.

    Along with their teachers.

  16. 16 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    Not related, but yet relative to the fact that we are all called to love our neighbors. And those who love their neighbors don’t punch them in the back of the head, stab them or even use a rock that God created to do them harm.

  17. April 28, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    “NORMAL” sinners sin – and unless they repent will suffer the eternal fate of all sinners.

    The point of my post was to indicate how much mankind and man’s ways differ from God’s ways. With regard to violence resulting in death, man has created degreess of culpibility requiring degrees of punishment.

    While we see things that way we aren’t sharing God’s perspective.

  18. 18 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    Regarding your original reply.

    Swords were also created by man to kill and destroy but Jesus told the disciples to bring a sword with them to the garden.

    Now I’m not going to use that passage of scripture to advocate for self defense as many do because I don’t believe in self defense but using your logic Jesus wouldn’t have been allowed to tell His disciples to obtain something made by man to kill and destroy.

  19. 19 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    I get the point you were trying to make but these types of incidents are quite “out there” and indicative of men “waxing worse and worse”

    I can’t wait to see what the kids are doing for “fun” in 20 years….

    God has degrees of punishment as well though…

    Greater condemnation, many stripes, etc.

  20. April 28, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    “God has degrees of punishment as well though…”

    And I’m confident that man has watered those all down too.

  21. 21 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Also, Cain, the first murderer, used his hands which God created for a worthy purpose to kill and destroy his brother Abel.

    Just like these “king hit” murderers.

    Earth was created by God for a worthy purpose as well and we just about destroyed that also…

    It all falls back to what impulses we are going to follow from what kingdom?

    You could leave a real Christian alone with an ICBM and he or she wouldn’t use it for harm…..

  22. 22 UnprofitableServant
    April 28, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    “I’m confident that man has watered those all down too”

    Well considering that molten sulfur is 832 degrees, water wouldn’t do much to water the lake of fire down.

    Not even an ocean of water.

    I think that punishment starts at 832 degrees and rises from there according to the way each person lived their life. Whether they had any mercy on people, helped the poor, etc.

    Not that they are avoiding going to the lake of fire, just that the flames may not be as hot as someone like Hitler or Stalin….

  23. 23 UnprofitableServant
    April 30, 2014 at 7:42 am

    I guess the point of what I was and am trying to say is that fallen man will find a way to kill even if disarmed to the point of only having the arms attached to their shoulders if that’s all they have access to.

    That’s why John says.

    Even so, come Lord Jesus

  24. April 30, 2014 at 8:21 am

    But give him weapons that are specifically created to kill many from a distance and the extent of his killing can be increased significantly.

    Subject closed!!!

  25. 25 UnprofitableServant
    April 30, 2014 at 10:48 am

    Yes, but I’m sure the 1000 Philistines that met Samson with a jawbone would digress…

  26. 26 UnprofitableServant
    May 18, 2014 at 9:03 am

    Refreshing rationality: Why NOT believing in conspiracies is a sure sign of mental retardation

    [link removed see my reply – onesimus]

  27. May 19, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Unprofitable One,
    Yet again I have to call you to account for your your continued obsession with “conspiracies”. Maybe if you redirected your attention to Jesus you might be able to change your name to PROFITABLE servant.

    No more of your comments relating to “conspiracies” will pass moderation.

  28. 28 UnprofitableServant
    May 23, 2014 at 7:50 am

    Two words Ones…oh willfully ignorant one..

    Edward Snowden

  29. May 23, 2014 at 8:07 am

    Six words unprofitable one: Seek first the Kingdom of God.

  30. 30 UnprofitableServant
    May 24, 2014 at 5:58 am

    I won’t disagree with you on seeking the Kingdom of God first as it is sound advice from Jesus.

    However, this same Jesus also told us to watch and that requires observing some pretty evil and ugly things going on around us in the world.

  31. May 27, 2014 at 8:17 am

    “WATCH” – He did not say not become obsessed with.

    He also said ” See that you are not troubled; for all[a] these things must come to pass”.

    And MOST of His warnings were against deceivers who claim to be prophets and christs, those who claim special insight – those like the many conspiracy devotees who ALWAYS claim to know what is behind the scenes of world events.


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