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AAAAGHHHH!!!


AAAAGHHHH!!!

How else can I respond to some of the sad, twisted, deluded, straight out lunatic ideas that I’ve seen promoted as being legitimately Christian? And this week seems to have thrown up some of the worst examples I’ve seen in a long time.
I’ve been following the opinions being shared on a topic on this blog here: http://www.revivalschool.com/civil-war-in-the-usa-the-visions/

I’m not even sure where to start in trying to determine why and how such aberrant views can be expressed by some of those commenting after the article, but maybe the best place is the beginning.
And the beginning is the opening article: “CIVIL WAR IN THE USA? – The Visions”. The article closes with the questions:

Could civil war be coming to America? What should the Christians’ response be?

What is the basis for this line of questioning?
It comes from a collection of “visions” but how reliable and legitimate are they?
Are they something that should be raised publicly and around the world as something that should be of genuine concern?
Maybe – but what has been the fruit produced by the promotion of these “visions”? Is there evidence that anyone has been inspired into Godly action through being “forewarned” of this “prophesied” civil war?

It’s maybe inevitable that the promotion of such unsubstantiated ideas would flush out some of the warped beliefs revealed in the replies to the article some of which I’ve found to be extremely disturbing. It think the beliefs of some of the commenters could even help to make these predictions become “self-fulfilling” prophecies.

One person writes:

“From what has been said, let’s start using guns now rather than later to take on the enemy whoever they may be and known to us. Let’s board up our homes from inside to keep the enemy out. Let’s have those who have guns in the Christian church protect us from what is coming.”

Another commenter continually poses a hypothetical challenge of how others would respond to a situation where:

“…people are raped and slaughtered before your very eyes, day after day, month in and month out…”

And he advocates the taking up of arms by Christians to prevent this (hypothetical) mass abuse and murder.

A favourite example to raise in support of armed resistance is that of Hitler and Nazi Germany and how inaction (that is lack of violent action) by citizens allowed the rise of Hitler and his mass-murder of Jews.
There are also several references to alleged FEMA death camps… a favourite fear-inducing claim of conspiracy adherents.
Articles like the “Civil War” post can’t help but bring out the religious lunatic fringe, and anti-government “christian” militants.

One thing seems to have been missed in all of this talk of rebellion and civil war – (a lot of which has been stirred up through anti-Obama sentiments*). The majority of wars and dictatorships throughout history have come about due to the actions of extreme “CONSERVATIVES” like those advocating the legitmacy of “Christian” violence (I would include the communist regimes under the label “conservative”) and rarely if ever through the actions of so-called “Liberals”.
As misguided as “liberal” ideas may be they don’t usually try to force those ideas and their politics upon everyone through violence. At the worst they just ALLOW sinners to sin, they ALLOW people to have abortions or to live a homosexual lifestyle – they don’t force those things upon unwilling participants.

Ironically that is very much the approach God Himself takes. He doesn’t force people into obedience. He doesn’t force people into righteous behaviour. He doesn’t force His standard upon anyone. He allows them their disobedience and unrighteousness. He gives people over to the things they desire above Him and His ways. He gives people over to the sinful desires of their hearts. He gives them over to their shameful lusts. He gives them over to their depraved minds. Whatever they choose in place of Him He will give them freedom to follow (see Romans 1).

And neither does He force anyone to an eternity in hell (the lake of fire) – He made a way of escape from that destiny through personal sacrifice. He gave His Son so that whoever believes (trusts) in Him can escape that terrible future. He tells us that He sent His Son NOT to condemn, because mankind was condemned already. He came to SAVE us from that condemned state. He came to give LIFE (abundantly) – Life to those who give up their own lusts, sinful desires and corrupt thinking by handing themselves over to Him through Jesus.

Such a liberal God, freely giving to us what we did not deserve.

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*Obama is reportedly the most threatened President in US history. One report I heard suggests he’s received more death threats than all previous Presidents combined. I wonder how many Obama-hating violence endorsing “christians” secretly (or not so secretly) rejoice over that.

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13 Responses to “AAAAGHHHH!!!”


  1. January 26, 2013 at 1:00 am

    The commenters on that blog should read the original graphic novel V for Vendetta.

  2. 2 UnprofitableServant
    January 26, 2013 at 1:28 am

    Personally, I believe “civil” war or a 2nd. revolution are coming to the US…

    But I don’t need a false “profit” to tell me this. I have two eyes that are well able to read all the news being reported throughout the US and world….

    Jesus told us to watch and that is what we need to do….

  3. 3 Marleen
    January 26, 2013 at 2:18 am

    It’s gotten to a point where I’m not sure there’s any discernable Christian body or aggregate of witness to be found for the truly uninitiated or unlearned. Even real Christians of the past (and present) needed to be turned more toward the truth (whether of doctrine or theology or living or history). But more have gone in “sad, twisted, deluded” and as you say “straight out lunatic” directions (even if there is more yelling about purity). [I don’t know, maybe it’s not more going that way; maybe we are just seeing delineated separation (including greater clarity for those not following those mind trips).]

  4. 4 UnprofitableServant
    January 26, 2013 at 4:31 am

    Regardless of the stories out there about Obama, he IS an evil man and he is NOT the king of America….. although he acts like one….

    Here are some articles that ARE provable…

    Obama’s Inaugural: If God ‘Truly’ Created Us Equal, Homosexual ‘Love’ is Equal as Well

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obamas-inaugural-if-god-truly-created-us-equal-homosexual-love-equal-well

    Rep. Paul Broun: Obama Upholds Soviet Constitution, Not U.S. Constitution

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/paul-broun-soviet-constitution_n_2534938.html

    DEVELOPING: Obama recess appointments unconstitutional, court

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/25/federal-court-obama-broke-law-recess-appointments/

  5. 5 Martin
    January 26, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Perhaps we like these controversies and disputations just a little too much!

  6. January 29, 2013 at 2:19 am

    Just curious how you would label the Communist under conservative? They would label themselves as “progressives.”

  7. January 29, 2013 at 7:24 am

    The USSR, China, North Korea, Cuba…

    Extreme in their conservatism – enforcing their dogma through intimidation and fear.
    If they labeled themselves “progressive” it means nothing. No more than other nations labelling themselves as “free”.

  8. January 29, 2013 at 7:36 am

    I don’t expect ANY secular politican to live up to God’s standards. It’s pointless to do so. Obama is no more evil than any other unsaved man or any other unsaved politician.

    He is the leader of a worldly Kingdom ruled by Satan. He needs to be encouraged to migrate from that Kingdom to God’s Kingdom.

  9. January 29, 2013 at 7:41 am

    True Martin.
    At one time I was a keen conspiracy nut myself. For a while after becoming a Christian I held onto my love of conspiracy, justifying it as being relevant to “end times prophecy”. I’ve since come to recognise that conspiracy scenarios are part of the “false prophet” warnings given by Jesus.

  10. January 29, 2013 at 10:40 am

    I haven’t read that novel or seen the film based on it, but I’ve read enough to know it describes a situation very much like periods in history when “the church” has had held significant political power; and through that power being able to enforce adherence to their religion through violence.

  11. January 29, 2013 at 10:46 am

    In this case, religion is used as just another control mechanism by the government to manage their citizens. Both the film and graphic novel are good, but the graphic novel is more detailed. You may be able to find it at your local public library.

  12. January 29, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Given long enough any nation will experience significant changes of fortune, sometimes due to conflict from within. We tend to forget that the current make up of the world and its nations is very new, very changeable and NOT fixed.
    Empires rise and fall, power shifts from one group to another – nothing political stays the same for long.

    In “recent” history, Britain gained and lost an empire within a century. Russian communism rose and seemed unbeatable (apart from nuclear annihilation) and yet it rose and fell within 70 years. China as a communist super power has existed for just over half a century and is currently going through significant change.
    And America has only had its serious positon of strength for about the same period covered by Chinese communism – not even a century.

    And yet we can be blinded by the apparent timelessness of our nations’ current status – as if they will remain that way beyond our own life times.

    Yes, America will change, and it may experience “civil war” adn/or revolution. Show me a “powerful” nation that hasn’t and tell me why should America be different?

  13. 13 Marleen
    January 30, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    I might move to Europe; I heard tonight that they have outlawed genetically engineered grain…

    : )

    Back to the main topic, here is wisdom:

    While Jesus fulfilled prophecy,
    you wouldn’t have wanted to
    be the one who helped it to
    happen (Judas pushing it).


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