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Aug
12

Another “Christchurch Prophecy”? Déjà vu all over again, with few lessons learned.


 [A word of explanation about the title of this post. Last year predictions were made of massive destruction through yet another earthquake in Christchurch New Zealand. The prediction had a date attached. The day came and went without the threatened destruction – some recognised their error and repented through publicly apology. Others refused to admit their error. Clearly many do not learn]

A new hurricane is in the news, apparently heading towards New Orleans. Some point out that it will hit exactly 7 years to the day after Katrina almost destroyed the city. Significance is given to the number seven because of its biblical relevance. It is also predicted to hit the city at the time of a major homosexual festival, so this adds to the claims of God’s impending judgement.

While the number 7 may be significant – I find it more significant that no one seemed to make these judgement predictions until AFTER Hurricane Isaac came onto the scene. Therefore it seems more like a “prophetic” joining of existing dots than a genuine revelation given by God.

Two significantly different incidents mentioned in scripture possibly shed light on situations like this.

Luke 13: 1 “There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

And;

 Luke 9  “And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. 53 But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. 54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?” 55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.”

Do you see the difference? Which attitude most closely resembles those who continually declare God’s specific and imminent judgement against other sinners?

It is clear that attitudes to homosexuality play a big part in these regular warnings of judgement. It must seem to these people that God has a greater desire to pour out wrath on the homosexual community than upon those guilty of other sins. But what does scripture say specifically about judgement and homosexuality?  Does it warn that homosexual practice will result in more judgement by natural disaster than any other sin? Or is the link to judgement something totally different?

I see the latter.

Romans 1 tells us that increased homosexual practice and acceptance of homosexual practice within a society IS the judgement of God upon that society. It is the result of God giving people over to the things they have chosen above Him and His ways. It results in the “storing up of wrath … for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgement will be revealed” When God “will give to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honour and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”

Salvation is no less available for those individuals involved in homosexual acts than it is for those involved in any other sin. But there is strong significance when things of this type take on a broader presence – when they move on from being an individual matter to being embraced by the wider community.

Rather than being a sign of rebellion that will attract imminent demonstration of judgement from God, the increase in these things ARE a sign OF God’s judgement, that He is giving those whole societies over to their most depraved desires.

What greater reason could we have not to identify with those societies through over-patriotic devotion?

What greater reason to make sure we are part of GOD’s Kingdom and to devote ourselves to HIM?

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14 Responses to “Another “Christchurch Prophecy”? Déjà vu all over again, with few lessons learned.”


  1. August 29, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Y’know Tim, which is the worst–to be knocked around and flooded in a hurricane, or to be in agony forever in the lake of fire? An eternity of unimaginable suffering! I’d rather put up with another Katrina any day!

    It’s because people do not have an ETERNAL MINDSET that they get so excited abt temporary physical events, but can’t even SEE appalling ETERNAL dangers.

    You are right. For the homosexual, the judgment has already happened. They have been “given up” by God (Romans 1). Their very practices are their own judgment for which they will reap an eternal agonising punishment–the very punishment Jesus Christ agonised on the Cross to save them from.

    And I agree with you, if the homosexual refuses sexual involvement with others, even in his thought life, this is acceptable with God. In other words, there will be saved homosexuals and damned evangelicals–those who believe the right thing but set their hearts to seduce and deprave others. I’ve known adulterous heterosexual pastors who did that! How repentant were they when they were found out? Not very, it seemed.

  2. August 29, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    How about (according to some people) being killed by a hurricane as judgement for sin, followed by eternal agony as judgement for sin?

  3. August 29, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Or run over by a car, or by your body wearing out as a judgment for sin…..
    We are ALL under judgment for sin. Only faith in Jesus will save us from the eternal consequences of that sin!

    New Orleans is being hit right now. Many flooded streets, trees down, traffic signs down, for continual up-to-date coverage go to

    http://live.reuters.com/Event/Severe_Weather_Live_Blog_Tracking_Isaac

  4. August 29, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Death is a consequence of sin – a judgement on all of mankind which will come to all of us, mostly at an unknown and unexpected time. That uncertainty keeps us on our toes.

    If we all knew the time of our death many would think they could keep sinning up to the last minute when they would try to repent just before the last bit of life left their body.

    God does not jump to crush sinful people as often as many men seem to think He will. Some are always quick to announce how God is (or will be) pouring out his wrath in the form of natural disasters etc. I think those announcements reveal more about the self-righteous heart of man than they do about the heart of God.

    They also reveal man’s ignorance of God and what is revealed about Him in His word.

    God’s “longsuffering” nature allows two outcomes:

    1) gives people the chance to repent and turn to Him

    2) gives people the chance to get more established in their rebellion tkaing further confirming the justice of their eventual condemnation.

    God’ preference is for the first.

  5. August 29, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Wow this sure does look like judgment on a city. New Orleans is directly underneath and the hurricane is stationary right over it with 80 mph winds gusting to 95 battering it into submission! Hundreds of thousands are without power. Just like the church….
    http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at201209_sat.html

  6. August 29, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Reports of levees being overtopped with serious flooding inevitable.
    Storm surges measured at over 11 feet and I think highest levees were 9 feet.
    Fortunately the winds aren’t strong enough for Category 2:
    http://yfrog.com/7gzwfthzwjjwbulszisbhpjwz

  7. August 30, 2012 at 6:52 am

    Tim, it wasn’t God who was in charge of Hurricane Isaac–it was Obama!
    That’s what famed commentator Rush Limbaugh says:
    http://grist.org/politics/rush-limbaugh-says-obama-manipulated-hurricane-forecasts-to-delay-gop-convention/
    So if your weather is too hot or too cold, you know who to blame! Obama! 🙂

  8. August 30, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Latest reports state it is no longer as hurricane – just a severe storm.

    Any “judgement” out of this is likely to be on the false prophets and their all too willing followers who are always quick to pass their own judgement about events like this – and are always very slow to repent of their error afterwards when their predictions fail.

  9. August 30, 2012 at 8:43 am

    The current topic about New Orleans shows that little has been learned from past false prophetic declarations. In fact it seems to have become more farcical than ever – when a (now) severe rain storm can be proclaimed internationally as a judgement from God on homosexuality.

    Claims like this one turn the genuine prophetic (and Christianity) into a laughing stock in the eyes of those who are allegedly being judged.

  10. 10 Bobby
    September 3, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    You say it so well Onesimus, wish I could say it as well as you do, please continue , i wish too they were as fast to repent ( even when they say online that they WILL if things don’t happen by a certain time) BUT at least people are starting to see what and who false prophets are, or for beter words, “self proclaimed prophets

  11. September 3, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Thanks Bobby – unfortunately there seems to always be a keen following for anyone making prophetic claims, no matter how many times they have been proven wrong in the past.

    Last year alone I saw dated “prophecies” promoted on one site about earthquakes in Christchurch NZ and also a “double dip recession” leading to a depression greater than the great depression. The later was initially supposed to occur before the end of 2011, and was then amended to “start before the end of 2011”. But whatever version is promoted – neither happened.

    And yet the following is maintained…

  12. 12 Bobby
    September 3, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    The promised public apology never happned either, whats with that. But you do have to continue to speakout because, the site is edited ,as you know, and it can make the owner look like they say things nicely when they have acted quite nastily. Also other ppls post taken off to make them look beter to. You have to be very switched on to realise something has been removed.

  13. September 3, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Bobby,
    The first person I saw drawing attention to the lack of the promised apology was quickly banned from the forum. Some of my own comments related to the failed prophecy were deleted and I have been blocked from the site myself. I have also tried to address the issue in private emails but was told not to contact him again.

    In the past I have been reluctant to comment on this too specifically on my own blog – but the issue of false prophecy and false prophets is too important to remain silent when there has been ample opportunity for mistakes to be acknowledged and repented of. Lack of repentance related to proven false “prophecy” escalates the situation from one of a mere “mistake” (of which we are all capable) to one of wilful sin.


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